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Locked Out by Vendor scantrell113 05-02-2008
Posted by on May 2, 2008, 11:21 am
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After many many years of sticking with the monitoring service offered
by my initial home alarm installer, due to constant compounding price
increases I decided to get service from another company. I come to
find that my trusted provider has locked the new monitoring company
out the controller. When they sold me the system, they sat at my
kitchen table and told me that I was under no obligation to continue
with their service and that I owned the equipment. What they did not
disclose was on small line in a wordy and lengthy contract that
stipulates that they own the communicator. We=92ve probably all signed
documents relying on anticipated fair business practices without
parsing words (=91I did not have sexual relations with that woman=92).
Two questions, is this common practice and is there a hardware reset
on a Radionics 4112?

Posted by Jim Rojas on May 2, 2008, 12:08 pm
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Long ago communicators were a separate component of the security system.
Now that it is all inclusive, their statement is outdated and not true.
If the dealer was to remove his "communicator", he would be leaving you
will no system at all, this is grounds for a lawsuit. In some states, it
is illegal for dealers to withhold access to your system after your
contract has been fulfilled.

Their contract should have been worded that the information contained in
the communicator belongs to them, which it does. All they need to do is
remove the information. This usually means a seervice charge of somekind.

Do not allow them to remove the main board. It is your property.

Jim Rojas



scantrell113@gmail.com wrote:
> After many many years of sticking with the monitoring service offered
> by my initial home alarm installer, due to constant compounding price
> increases I decided to get service from another company. I come to
> find that my trusted provider has locked the new monitoring company
> out the controller. When they sold me the system, they sat at my
> kitchen table and told me that I was under no obligation to continue
> with their service and that I owned the equipment. What they did not
> disclose was on small line in a wordy and lengthy contract that
> stipulates that they own the communicator. We’ve probably all signed
> documents relying on anticipated fair business practices without
> parsing words (‘I did not have sexual relations with that woman’).
> Two questions, is this common practice and is there a hardware reset
> on a Radionics 4112?

Posted by Red on May 2, 2008, 3:41 pm
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X2. You'll probably have to pay them to remove their data, but ask
them nicely to download it, they won't have to send a guy out. If
they have objections find out who within the company would be the
person the attorney general's office could contact to speak about
this.



wrote:

>Long ago communicators were a separate component of the security system.
>Now that it is all inclusive, their statement is outdated and not true.
>If the dealer was to remove his "communicator", he would be leaving you
>will no system at all, this is grounds for a lawsuit. In some states, it
>is illegal for dealers to withhold access to your system after your
>contract has been fulfilled.
>
>Their contract should have been worded that the information contained in
>the communicator belongs to them, which it does. All they need to do is
>remove the information. This usually means a seervice charge of somekind.
>
>Do not allow them to remove the main board. It is your property.
>
>Jim Rojas
>
>
>
>scantrell113@gmail.com wrote:
>> After many many years of sticking with the monitoring service offered
>> by my initial home alarm installer, due to constant compounding price
>> increases I decided to get service from another company. I come to
>> find that my trusted provider has locked the new monitoring company
>> out the controller. When they sold me the system, they sat at my
>> kitchen table and told me that I was under no obligation to continue
>> with their service and that I owned the equipment. What they did not
>> disclose was on small line in a wordy and lengthy contract that
>> stipulates that they own the communicator. We’ve probably all signed
>> documents relying on anticipated fair business practices without
>> parsing words (‘I did not have sexual relations with that woman’).
>> Two questions, is this common practice and is there a hardware reset
>> on a Radionics 4112?


Posted by Bob Worthy on May 2, 2008, 5:12 pm
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> X2. You'll probably have to pay them to remove their data, but ask
> them nicely to download it, they won't have to send a guy out. If
> they have objections find out who within the company would be the
> person the attorney general's office could contact to speak about
> this.

The industry continues to shoot themselves in the foot. Tell them to unlock
the freakin board and move on. Why do they try to keep someone that will
never be happy after the fiasco. One client goes away, go sell two more. The
AG's office gets involved and then supports legislation against the whole
industry for some goof's idiotic policy. On the flip side, if the customer
owes you money, unlock the board so your competitor takes them over, along
with their bad pay habits, and turn the deadbeat over to collections. Life
is to short to get sideways with a customer over a lock out code.


Posted by on May 7, 2008, 7:58 am
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>
>
> > X2. =A0You'll probably have to pay them to remove their data, but ask
> > them nicely to download it, they won't have to send a guy out. =A0If
> > they have objections find out who within the company would be the
> > person the attorney general's office could contact to speak about
> > this.
>
> The industry continues to shoot themselves in the foot. Tell them to unloc=
k
> the freakin board and move on. Why do they try to keep someone that will
> never be happy after the fiasco. One client goes away, go sell two more. T=
he
> AG's office gets involved and then supports legislation against the whole
> industry for some goof's idiotic policy. On the flip side, if the customer=

> owes you money, unlock the board so your competitor takes them over, along=

> with their bad pay habits, and turn the deadbeat over to collections. Life=

> is to short to get sideways with a customer over a lock out code.

Yes, I agree. It seems very short-sighted of the supplier. I hate to
get the AG involved but I suppose a handshake does not go as far as it
used to. It's a local PA alarm company - Advent Security - so it
would be nice to find some others around with the same experience.
The unit may be old (Barney) but it functions as needed so there has
never been cause to update or change h/w. In fact, if the hardware
was failing, that would rightfully be on me.

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