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Posted by d on June 26, 2006, 3:35 am
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bitsyboffin@gmail.com says...
> A club I am a member of has a problem, members keep leaving the club's
> buildings unlocked, unalarmed and even with the doors open on occasion.
Another suggestion might be to get your existing alarm monitored, and
then...
a) Have a guard attend and lockup when it's left unlocked.
b) Have the alarm company ring down a contact list when the alarm is
unset after hours, to get someone in to lock up.
You can have them monitor it, and when it's unset, they can phone, check
who's there, and what time they're finishing.
Shortly after finishing time, they will call back if the alarm hasn't
been set, and get a new time. Or, you could have them call someone and
pop down to lock up if there's no reply.
These two suggestions seem like a much better bet than waiting to find
you've been burgled, and then trying to finger point.
As it is, finger pointing isn't actually going to solve your problem, as
it's likely to be several/all your people leaving the place unlocked at
times, and unless you start removing keys from people, there's sod all
you can do about it anyway.
And, no, I don't own/work for an alarm company, but I think you might
have a bit of tunnel vision in looking at your problem here.
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D.
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Posted by Pete D on June 26, 2006, 3:48 am
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> bitsyboffin@gmail.com says...
>> A club I am a member of has a problem, members keep leaving the club's
>> buildings unlocked, unalarmed and even with the doors open on occasion.
>
> Another suggestion might be to get your existing alarm monitored, and
> then...
> a) Have a guard attend and lockup when it's left unlocked.
> b) Have the alarm company ring down a contact list when the alarm is
> unset after hours, to get someone in to lock up.
>
> You can have them monitor it, and when it's unset, they can phone, check
> who's there, and what time they're finishing.
>
> Shortly after finishing time, they will call back if the alarm hasn't
> been set, and get a new time. Or, you could have them call someone and
> pop down to lock up if there's no reply.
And if no one is locking up and setting the alarm, the club is open at odd
non set hours by the sound of it.
> These two suggestions seem like a much better bet than waiting to find
> you've been burgled, and then trying to finger point.
>
> As it is, finger pointing isn't actually going to solve your problem, as
> it's likely to be several/all your people leaving the place unlocked at
> times, and unless you start removing keys from people, there's sod all
> you can do about it anyway.
>
> And, no, I don't own/work for an alarm company, but I think you might
> have a bit of tunnel vision in looking at your problem here.
>
> This message brought to you by the letters G, U, and the number 5.
>
> D.
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Posted by d on June 26, 2006, 5:17 am
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01.iinet.net.au>, no@email.com says...
>
> > bitsyboffin@gmail.com says...
> >> A club I am a member of has a problem, members keep leaving the club's
> >> buildings unlocked, unalarmed and even with the doors open on occasion.
> >
> > Another suggestion might be to get your existing alarm monitored, and
> > then...
> > a) Have a guard attend and lockup when it's left unlocked.
> > b) Have the alarm company ring down a contact list when the alarm is
> > unset after hours, to get someone in to lock up.
> >
> > You can have them monitor it, and when it's unset, they can phone, check
> > who's there, and what time they're finishing.
> >
> > Shortly after finishing time, they will call back if the alarm hasn't
> > been set, and get a new time. Or, you could have them call someone and
> > pop down to lock up if there's no reply.
>
> And if no one is locking up and setting the alarm, the club is open at odd
> non set hours by the sound of it.
Yes, but the monitoring option will still work, as the operator at the
company updates their database with each call, and once the alarm is
set, it cancels the reminder to call again.
It's a good system, and would work, but the original poster seems to
have dismissed it out of hand.
I think he's looking more for an ambulance-at-the-bottom-of-the-cliff
type system.
Still, I tried to help.
Never mind.
D.
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Posted by ~mosfet~ on June 26, 2006, 5:52 am
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> In article <449f9174$0$6661$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> 01.iinet.net.au>, no@email.com says...
>>
>>> bitsyboffin@gmail.com says...
>>>> A club I am a member of has a problem, members keep leaving the
>>>> club's buildings unlocked, unalarmed and even with the doors open
>>>> on occasion.
>>>
>>> Another suggestion might be to get your existing alarm monitored,
>>> and then...
>>> a) Have a guard attend and lockup when it's left unlocked.
>>> b) Have the alarm company ring down a contact list when the alarm is
>>> unset after hours, to get someone in to lock up.
>>>
>>> You can have them monitor it, and when it's unset, they can phone,
>>> check who's there, and what time they're finishing.
>>>
>>> Shortly after finishing time, they will call back if the alarm
>>> hasn't been set, and get a new time. Or, you could have them call
>>> someone and pop down to lock up if there's no reply.
>>
>> And if no one is locking up and setting the alarm, the club is open
>> at odd non set hours by the sound of it.
>
> Yes, but the monitoring option will still work, as the operator at the
> company updates their database with each call, and once the alarm is
> set, it cancels the reminder to call again.
>
> It's a good system, and would work, but the original poster seems to
> have dismissed it out of hand.
>
> I think he's looking more for an ambulance-at-the-bottom-of-the-cliff
> type system.
>
> Still, I tried to help.
>
> Never mind.
Don't get you knickers in a knot just because he didn't accept your totally
not what he asked for suggestion.
He's not looking for an ambulance blah blah option, he's looking to pull
people up who leave the place unlocked. Not after it's burgled, just when
the next person finds it open.
Ever thought of writing for the soaps? Your sense of the dramatic would
appeal to a daytime audience with nothing better to do.
--
Shaun.
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Posted by d on June 26, 2006, 6:30 am
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> d wrote:
> > Still, I tried to help.
> >
> > Never mind.
>
> Don't get you knickers in a knot just because he didn't accept your totally
> not what he asked for suggestion.
It's ok. I just get the impression that he's fixated on something that
won't solve his actual problem, which he has so far failed to correctly
identify. I mean, he's the one asking for help, and then dismissing it.
If he wasn't going to consider it seriously, don't bother asking
frankly.
And, this is pretty much directed to him...
The problem he has, is that his clubrooms are being left insecure.
Taking a photo of someone flying his model plane will not make them
secure.
I thought it was a good answer to his actual, if not perceived problem.
Even identifying who it was that left it unlocked, won't fix the
problem, this time, or next time he does it. The building will be left
insecure, until he, or someone else, discovers the fact.
He has no way of removing their access, so he's just going to be the
nasty guy that points the finger all the time, with no effect. But
annoying people.
I'm assuming that they aren't leaving it unlocked on purpose now, so
telling them off, will have no effect except to make him unpopular.
Basically he's screwed, but doesn't realise that yet either. Sigh.
What he actually needs, is a way to make sure the place is locked up
securely. He has an existing alarm. My suggestion would involve
probably minimal cost (being burgled would certainly cost more) and
would secure the building, therefore solving the problem.
Still, he's free to ask for, and then ignore, good quality problem
identification, and advice on how to solve it, and rush out and buy a
small camera, in the hope that it will somehow solve his problems.
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