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Coax as data cable Roland 12-27-2006
Posted by Roland on December 27, 2006, 8:16 pm
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So I go to this site to program a DiBos where a Samsung Digital Watchdog
was. I notice something hanging off the back besides regular BNC connections
that I originally thought was a mike connection. It looked like a DIY job
with screw on BNC connectors instead of 2 or 3 piece crimp on connections.
When I looked hard at it I realized someone ran an extra coax instead of
data wire to the PTZ. That I had never seen before. I hope no one here is
going to tell me how great it is to use coax for PTZ data cable. Now it
looks like its time to run new coax and 485 cable to the PTZ. I guess the
customer is going to love getting charged for that.



Posted by Robert L Bass on December 27, 2006, 8:40 pm
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> So I go to this site to program a DiBos where a Samsung Digital Watchdog
> was. I notice something hanging off the back besides regular BNC
> connections that I originally thought was a mike connection. It looked
> like a DIY job with screw on BNC connectors instead of 2 or 3 piece crimp
> on connections.

Numerous professional installations still emoploy screw-on BNC connectors
for CCTV. They work fine for composite video only but they're not good
enough for hi-def and some up-the-coax data applications.

> When I looked hard at it I realized someone ran an extra coax instead of
> data wire to the PTZ.

As mentioned above, up-the-coax PTZ control data is an option. Whether that
was the intent of the person who did the job, of course, is another
question.

> That I had never seen before. I hope no one here is going to tell me how
> great it is to use coax for PTZ
> data cable. Now it looks like its time to run new coax
> and 485 cable to the PTZ. I guess the customer is
> going to love getting charged for that.

If it's a lengthy cable run your customer might be happier if you first
consider sending the PTZ via that extra coax. It works well when properly
set up and it can be a time saver for you.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

========================>
Bass Home Electronics
Online DIY Alarm & Automation Store
941-866-1100
www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
=========================>








Posted by G. Morgan on December 28, 2006, 12:00 am
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On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:40:50 -0500, "Robert L Bass" <sales @ comcast +
net> wrote:


1.
>Numerous professional installations still emoploy screw-on BNC connectors
>for CCTV. They work fine for composite video only but they're not good
>enough for hi-def and some up-the-coax data applications.

2.
>As mentioned above, up-the-coax PTZ control data is an option.

3.
>If it's a lengthy cable run your customer might be happier if you first
>consider sending the PTZ via that extra coax. It works well when properly
>set up and it can be a time saver for you.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Wow... You never have even *SEEN* a CCTV system apparently. Screw-on
BNC's huh? LOL....


The only viable data over coax I've seen is Pelco's 'Coaxatron' <sp>
protocol which requires Pelco products on each end. I suppose one
could also use third party modems on each side to transmit rs485 data,
but that would be cost prohibitive compared to just running a Cat5
with the coax -- even then only one cable is needed for data and
video, so I don't know what the heck that second coax is for.


I hope the 2 hour phone course CCTV 101 is not offered in your
distance learning catalog.

--

-Graham

(delete the double e's to email)

Posted by Robert L Bass on December 28, 2006, 1:48 am
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> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:40:50 -0500, "Robert L Bass" <sales @ comcast +
> net> wrote:
>
>
> 1.
>>Numerous professional installations still emoploy screw-on BNC connectors
>>for CCTV. They work fine for composite video only but they're not good
>>enough for hi-def and some up-the-coax data applications.
>
> 2.
>>As mentioned above, up-the-coax PTZ control data is an option.
>
> 3.
>>If it's a lengthy cable run your customer might be happier if you first
>>consider sending the PTZ via that extra coax. It works well when properly
>>set up and it can be a time saver for you.
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

No need to cry, Cracker.

> Wow... You never have even *SEEN*
> a CCTV system apparently.

Oh, really? Heh, heh, heh. Read on, grass-toker.

Screw-on
> BNC's huh? LOL....

You're a relative newcomer, Cracker. Screw-on BNC connectors have been around
for many years. While not ideal they are in use and
they are viable for *average* quality CCTV.

> The only viable data over coax I've seen
> is Pelco's 'Coaxatron' <sp>

You're thinking of their "Coaxitron" system but it's far from the only one
around. You lack experience and knowledge not only of
the name of the product but of the popularity of the medium among professional
installers.

That's because you've seen so little CCTV. Bosch makes a well-known (well,
among CCTV ionstallers it's well known; you say you
never saw it though) coax PTZ transmission system.

Baluns are also commonly used to convert a data signal for transmission over
coax.

Axis is another company whose PTZ cameras can be controlled over coax. In fact,
the same coax can be used for simultaneous PTZ and
video transmission.

Muxlab is yet another well known maker of baluns for PTZ+video over coax.

I sell most of these brands online so, unlike the pugnacious idiot who posted
above, I actually know about them.

> protocol which requires Pelco products on each end. I suppose one
> could also use third party modems on each side

No, moron. You woulkd not use modems. You (well, not you actually but a
professional installer or a DIYer) could use balums.

> to transmit rs485 data, but that would
> be cost prohibitive compared to just
> running a Cat5 with the coax...

In your zeal to squeal you seem not to have even finished reading my post before
demonstrating your lack of knowledge. As I said in
my initial reply, "If it's a lengthy cable run your customer might be happier if
you first consider sending the PTZ via that extra
coax. It works well when properly set up and it can be a time saver for you."
The meaning should be clear to anyone capable of
thought (you might want to hire someone to help you out here) that it may be
more economical to use a PTZ up-the-coax solution than
to run new cable. The type of cable isn't so much the issue since coax and CAT5
are of similar cost. It's an application specific
question which the OP will need to assess for himself.

> -- even then only one cable is needed for data and
> video, so I don't know what the heck that second coax is for.

Some folks run 2 cables when they only need one in case they need another for a
second camera later. Since the cable itself is
usually much less expensive than the labor to pull a new one later, that can be
a good thing.

> I hope the 2 hour phone course CCTV 101
> is not offered in your distance learning catalog.

It wouldn't matter anyway. You've never been sober long enough to finish the
class.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>



Posted by Roland Moore on December 28, 2006, 1:48 am
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> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:40:50 -0500, "Robert L Bass" <sales @ comcast +
> net> wrote:
>
>
> 1.
>>Numerous professional installations still emoploy screw-on BNC connectors
>>for CCTV. They work fine for composite video only but they're not good
>>enough for hi-def and some up-the-coax data applications.
>

I my opinion if you can't make a decent 2 or 3 piece crimp on BNC connection
in your sleep your not a professional in the CCTV world period. Using a
screw on for an emergency repair when your out of ALL other resources is
okay for a temporary fix. To any and all who have been in the business for
decades, or says they have been, then everyone should have thousands of
crimp on BNC connections under their belt, if for no other reason than
fixing all the twist on crap out there growing beards when the tape falls
off.
> 2.
>>As mentioned above, up-the-coax PTZ control data is an option.
>
Bilinx, Panasonic up the coax, Pelco up the coax etc are not interchangable.
In this case the Samsung/GVI PTZ doesn't support bilinx (and probably not
Biphase either).
> 3.
>>If it's a lengthy cable run your customer might be happier if you first
>>consider sending the PTZ via that extra coax. It works well when properly
>>set up and it can be a time saver for you.
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

I believe you'd run out of video signal on RG-59 or RG-6 run long before
you'd run out of control signal on a 485 data run. If the turd doing the
original installation had not used coax at all, and just the correct data
cable instead, I could have used twisted sender and 485.
>I don't know what the heck that second coax is for

I have no idea either. That's why I posted just to see if there was
something I missed.
I have seen guys do strange things like terminate all coax with F connectors
and then use an adapter to BNC connectors because they say it gives better
signal strength, even when you show them on a meter the extra dB loss, they
still persist.

> Wow... You never have even *SEEN* a CCTV system apparently. Screw-on
> BNC's huh? LOL....
>
>
> The only viable data over coax I've seen is Pelco's 'Coaxatron' <sp>
> protocol which requires Pelco products on each end. I suppose one
> could also use third party modems on each side to transmit rs485 data,
> but that would be cost prohibitive compared to just running a Cat5
> with the coax -- even then only one cable is needed for data and
> video, so I don't know what the heck that second coax is for.
>
>
> I hope the 2 hour phone course CCTV 101 is not offered in your
> distance learning catalog.
>
> --
>
> -Graham
>
> (delete the double e's to email)



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