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Cannot active program mode on Napco MA3000 ... dyz 01-30-2008
Posted by Mark Leuck on February 1, 2008, 7:07 pm
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This should be exciting

> Thanks Robert. At the moment I don't want to go to the extreme of
replacing
> the chip because, other than having its time off a few hours, the system
> works fine. I may pick up that PCI-mini adaptor listed on your web down
the
> road.
>
> dyz
>
> >> Thanks for the offer. I do have the manual. One thing I noticed is
that,
> >> after entering the master code and pressing the [function] button, I
can
> >> only reach the "ACTIVATE PROGRAM" display by further pressing the
> >> [function] button repeatedly; in other words, pressing [bypass] button
> >> repeatedly won't led me to the "ACTIVATE PROGRAM" display! I initially
> >> thought both buttons should reach "ACTIVATE PROGRAM". I wonder this
maybe
> >> a hint.
> >
> > Probably not. It's been a while since I programmed an MA-3000 but ISTR
> > you had to start with [Function] and then the [Function] and [Bypass]
keys
> > could be used to scroll forward and back through the menus.
> >
> > As to the other gentleman's comment about locking you out, he's partly
> > right. The dealer can put a "Dealer" programming code in which can then
> > be changed. But the "master" code is burned into the chip by Napco.
That
> > code cannot be changed. Many alarm companies remove the label with the
> > code so the purchaser cannot make changes without their help. It's a
> > sleazy practice.
> >
> > At any rate, if you have that code, please use the dealer programming
> > method to find and/or change the user codes as needed. The procedure is
> > different from entering user programming. If the code you have is not
the
> > "master" or if for any other reason it can't be made to work let me know
> > and I'll get you a replacement master chip. It will have a new code
which
> > you (and not the alarm company) will have. Changing it does not erase
the
> > panel configuration. It just upgrades the OS to the current revision
and
> > gives you a new code. I don't recall the exact price but it's around
> > $20-30. Hopefully you won't need it but if you do at least it's not
much.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> > Robert L Bass
> >
> > ==============================>
> > Bass Home Electronics
> > 4883 Fallcrest Circle
> > Sarasota · Florida · 34233
> > http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
> > Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
> > Customer Service 941-232-0791
> > Fax 941-870-3252
> > ==============================>
>
>



Posted by Just Looking on February 2, 2008, 8:31 pm
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Do yourself a favor. Buy more than the PCI -Mini. Get a whole new system.
The MA 3000 was only good for a cheap commercial job needing commercial fire
and burglar alarm protection in one panel (where the AHJ allowed it). Napco
keeps it around just as a place filler in their product line up where they
are mostly blank when it comes to fire offerings. They don't push the
MA3000. They don't even seem to like it (since it hasn't seen any version
upgrades since the early 90's). The MA 3000 is irritating to program. It
will be in a series of data blocks and then switch gears to an entirely
different set of data blocks to continue programming the same zone features.
That is just one of its little programming issues. Most folks pull out MA
3000s rather than install any these days.

> Thanks Robert. At the moment I don't want to go to the extreme of
replacing
> the chip because, other than having its time off a few hours, the system
> works fine. I may pick up that PCI-mini adaptor listed on your web down
the
> road.
>
> dyz
>
> >> Thanks for the offer. I do have the manual. One thing I noticed is
that,
> >> after entering the master code and pressing the [function] button, I
can
> >> only reach the "ACTIVATE PROGRAM" display by further pressing the
> >> [function] button repeatedly; in other words, pressing [bypass] button
> >> repeatedly won't led me to the "ACTIVATE PROGRAM" display! I initially
> >> thought both buttons should reach "ACTIVATE PROGRAM". I wonder this
maybe
> >> a hint.
> >
> > Probably not. It's been a while since I programmed an MA-3000 but ISTR
> > you had to start with [Function] and then the [Function] and [Bypass]
keys
> > could be used to scroll forward and back through the menus.
> >
> > As to the other gentleman's comment about locking you out, he's partly
> > right. The dealer can put a "Dealer" programming code in which can then
> > be changed. But the "master" code is burned into the chip by Napco.
That
> > code cannot be changed. Many alarm companies remove the label with the
> > code so the purchaser cannot make changes without their help. It's a
> > sleazy practice.
> >
> > At any rate, if you have that code, please use the dealer programming
> > method to find and/or change the user codes as needed. The procedure is
> > different from entering user programming. If the code you have is not
the
> > "master" or if for any other reason it can't be made to work let me know
> > and I'll get you a replacement master chip. It will have a new code
which
> > you (and not the alarm company) will have. Changing it does not erase
the
> > panel configuration. It just upgrades the OS to the current revision
and
> > gives you a new code. I don't recall the exact price but it's around
> > $20-30. Hopefully you won't need it but if you do at least it's not
much.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> > Robert L Bass
> >
> > ==============================>
> > Bass Home Electronics
> > 4883 Fallcrest Circle
> > Sarasota · Florida · 34233
> > http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
> > Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
> > Customer Service 941-232-0791
> > Fax 941-870-3252
> > ==============================>
>
>



Posted by Jim on February 8, 2008, 12:52 am
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> Thanks Robert. At the moment I don't want to go to the extreme of replacin=
g
> the chip because, other than having its time off a few hours, the system
> works fine. I may pick up that PCI-mini adaptor listed on your web down th=
e
> road.
>
> dyz
>
I'm pretty sure that I know why you can't get into programing but
there isn't any sense in telling you, since you only have the dealer
code. Trying to change the simple things you want to change via the
dealer programing through the keypad, could cause you more problems
than you have.

I'm surprised (not really) that the self proclaimed "Napco EXPERT"
Death Breath Bass, can't figure it out. But ........... on the other
hand, he's more interested in selling you something than he is trying
to help you out. He runs an on line store and sells alarm parts to end
users and in order to do that he occupies this Newsgroup that's
supposed to be for alarm installers, and berates and ridicules alarm
installation companies when people like you come around for help.

Beware who you deal with. This guy is a convicted felon, is
responsible for someones death and has a reputation in Usenet that is
totaly unbelievable. He's ruined this group and a few others over the
years with his nasty and arrogant conduct.

If you think what I'm saying isn't true, just see if he denies
anything that I've said.

Just watch your step in any dealings you might be considering with
him.


Posted by Mark Leuck on January 31, 2008, 12:17 am
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> Not sure about the age of the system, I know the previous owner built the
> detached
> garage about 15 years ago and ran some sort of home business in there. I
> guess the
> system was installed then in order to provide two zone protection.
>
> The system works just fine other than not allowing me going into the
program
> mode.
> I followed exactly what the manual says about entering program mode, but
it
> simply
> does not work. This is what I've being doing when trying to enter program
> mode:
> 1) enter master code then press [function] button;
> 2) press [bypass] button repeatedly;
> 3) when "ACTIVE PROGRAM" is displayed, press [on/off] button
>
> The display immediately goes back to SYSTEM READY after 3). Is this a sign
> that
> the system is locking me out?
>
> Thanks!
>
> DYZ

It scares me to think if you have this much trouble what you'd do if you
actually did get into programming



Posted by Robert L Bass on January 31, 2008, 4:49 pm
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"dyz" wrote:
>
> 1) enter master code then press [function] button;
> 2) press [bypass] button repeatedly;
> 3) when "ACTIVE PROGRAM" is displayed, press [on/off] button
>
> The display immediately goes back to SYSTEM READY after 3). Is this
> a sign that the system is locking me out?

There are two levels of programming for the MA-3000 panel. To access
user level programming, you need a level 3 user code -- not the
master (dealer level) code. If the code you have is the dealer code
(the one printed on a label inside the panel, it's not the one you
need. However, you can get into the dealer programming area through
that code to edit anything in the panel.

Be cautious programming the dealer area. There are a few gotcha's in
there. Napco panels are easier to program using the (free) Napco
software and a simple (cheap but not free) interface called a
PCI-MINI. The dongle connects between a serial port on your PC and
the J3 jack on the lower right portion of the MA-3000 board. If you
already have the PCI-MINI, contact me and I'll give you the software.
If you need it, ask and I'll get it for you.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

==============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
Customer Service 941-232-0791
Fax 941-870-3252
==============================>


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