Behavior of Disconnecting Keypad From Ademco 128BP Panel?

Behavior of Disconnecting Keypad From Ademco 128BP Panel?

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Behavior of Disconnecting Keypad From Ademco 128BP Panel? Will 07-11-2005
Posted by Will on July 11, 2005, 7:30 pm
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What is the expected behavior of any Ademco keypad if you put a relay on one
wire of the connection between the keypad and a 128BP panel and leave the
relay disconnected? Does the keypad simply go dead, or does it display an
error? If the relay is connected, how long will it take the keypad to sync
up and be ready for use? Is there any potential harm to the panel itself
if this relay is in use a few times a day?

The idea we had was to install such a relay to the keypad and use our door
access card system as a way to activate the keypad. The user comes in and
presents his badge, which connects the relay and activates the keypad for
maybe five minutes. The user then can use his access code to turn the
alarm system off or on.

The reason we want something like this is that the access codes have a way
of becoming known over time by too wide an audience of people. Having a
way to secure the keypad with both a physical token, as well as a unique
user code, makes it all the harder for someone to do something trivial like
just steal a code they happen to see someone use on the panel.

--
Will
Internet: westes AT earthbroadcast.com





Posted by petem on July 12, 2005, 10:36 pm
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if the panel loose a keypad it wil react with a trouble condition to the
central

if you remove power to the keypad(red wire) it will not react anymore...

the keypad become active after power up in a few second max...
and the trouble clear right away..

thats what i seen with any ademco/first alert panel that have keypad with
adress on the bus


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> What is the expected behavior of any Ademco keypad if you put a relay on
> one
> wire of the connection between the keypad and a 128BP panel and leave the
> relay disconnected? Does the keypad simply go dead, or does it display
> an
> error? If the relay is connected, how long will it take the keypad to
> sync
> up and be ready for use? Is there any potential harm to the panel itself
> if this relay is in use a few times a day?
>
> The idea we had was to install such a relay to the keypad and use our door
> access card system as a way to activate the keypad. The user comes in
> and
> presents his badge, which connects the relay and activates the keypad for
> maybe five minutes. The user then can use his access code to turn the
> alarm system off or on.
>
> The reason we want something like this is that the access codes have a way
> of becoming known over time by too wide an audience of people. Having a
> way to secure the keypad with both a physical token, as well as a unique
> user code, makes it all the harder for someone to do something trivial
> like
> just steal a code they happen to see someone use on the panel.
>
> --
> Will
> Internet: westes AT earthbroadcast.com
>
>
>




Posted by Will on July 12, 2005, 8:39 pm
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I wasn't clear on the difference between the first two sentences. You are
saying put the relay on the power wire, and if you remove power to the
keypad you won't get a trouble condition on the panel?

--
Will
Internet: westes AT earthbroadcast.com


> if the panel loose a keypad it wil react with a trouble condition to the
> central
>
> if you remove power to the keypad(red wire) it will not react anymore...
>
> the keypad become active after power up in a few second max...
> and the trouble clear right away..
>
> thats what i seen with any ademco/first alert panel that have keypad with
> adress on the bus




Posted by Mark Leuck on July 13, 2005, 10:14 pm
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> I wasn't clear on the difference between the first two sentences. You
are
> saying put the relay on the power wire, and if you remove power to the
> keypad you won't get a trouble condition on the panel?
>
> --
> Will
> Internet: westes AT earthbroadcast.com

While I haven't tested it my bet is you won't get a trouble




Posted by autonut843 on July 13, 2005, 6:10 pm
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I do not know, but here are some things rattling around the brain
cavity....
I wonder, if he interrupted the green "Data In From Keypad" wire, what
would that do? I've never tried anything like this so don't know, but
would guess that then the K/P would still be powered and display stuff
OK, just not send keypresses back to the control panel. Of course, if
the panel firmware polls the keypads periodically and expects a
response then this wouldn't work.

I'm not familiar with the 128BP so googled on it and read a sentence,
"Zone 7 may be used for keyswitch arming and disarming." Maybe instead
of hooking the relay up to one or more of the keypad wires you could
hook it up to zone 7 and use the relay like a key switch.

Good luck, let us know how you end up solving it.



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