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Batteries and Fire Julian 01-10-2007
Posted by Julian on January 10, 2007, 7:02 pm
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So it turns out I didn't need to experiment with batteries to see if
they can start a fire. An incompetent shipper from Burtek did me the
favour when he badly packaged a case of batteries. For some stupid
reason, they did not come in the orginal cardboard case with the nice
cardboard pieces separating the batteries and another nice cardboard
piece on top. Instead they were packaged in a makeshift box and at
some time were jostled about and two of the batteries touched
terminals. The little plastic protectors came off and the batteries
shorted together. But no fire. Scorching, yes, but no fire. The
terminals of the batteries fried off. Nothing there but little nubs.
It's likely that there wasn't enough oxygen to keep the fire going.
Now had someone added an accelerant, that would be a different story.

So there you go Robert. Is fire possible if you toss the battery in
the garbage without taping the terminals...... yes, but not PROBABLE.
If two new batteries touching terminals doesn't start a fire inside a
cardboard box stuffed with paper, it's highly doubtful a dead battery
tossed into a residential garage will.


Julian






Posted by Robert L Bass on January 10, 2007, 7:41 pm
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Julian,

Try this little experiment:

1. Wrap a 1' long piece of wire in newsprint, leaving 2" exposed at each end.
2. Attach the two ends to the electrodes of a 12V 7AH gel cell.
3. Run for fire extinguisher.
4. Post apology.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

> So it turns out I didn't need to experiment with batteries to see if
> they can start a fire. An incompetent shipper from Burtek did me the
> favour when he badly packaged a case of batteries. For some stupid
> reason, they did not come in the orginal cardboard case with the nice
> cardboard pieces separating the batteries and another nice cardboard
> piece on top. Instead they were packaged in a makeshift box and at
> some time were jostled about and two of the batteries touched
> terminals. The little plastic protectors came off and the batteries
> shorted together. But no fire. Scorching, yes, but no fire. The
> terminals of the batteries fried off. Nothing there but little nubs.
> It's likely that there wasn't enough oxygen to keep the fire going.
> Now had someone added an accelerant, that would be a different story.
>
> So there you go Robert. Is fire possible if you toss the battery in
> the garbage without taping the terminals...... yes, but not PROBABLE.
> If two new batteries touching terminals doesn't start a fire inside a
> cardboard box stuffed with paper, it's highly doubtful a dead battery
> tossed into a residential garage will.
>
>
> Julian
>
>
>
>
>



Posted by nick markowitz on January 10, 2007, 8:10 pm
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Julian
I investigate fires as well as install alarms and have seen sevral fires
started by batteries even flash light batteries when you have the right
conditions you will get ignition in fact it is a well known trick by
arsonists to use batteries
to do a time delayed fire.
> Julian,
>
> Try this little experiment:
>
> 1. Wrap a 1' long piece of wire in newsprint, leaving 2" exposed at each
> end.
> 2. Attach the two ends to the electrodes of a 12V 7AH gel cell.
> 3. Run for fire extinguisher.
> 4. Post apology.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> =============================>
> Bass Home Electronics
> 941-866-1100
> 4883 Fallcrest Circle
> Sarasota · Florida · 34233
> http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
> =============================>
>
>> So it turns out I didn't need to experiment with batteries to see if
>> they can start a fire. An incompetent shipper from Burtek did me the
>> favour when he badly packaged a case of batteries. For some stupid
>> reason, they did not come in the orginal cardboard case with the nice
>> cardboard pieces separating the batteries and another nice cardboard
>> piece on top. Instead they were packaged in a makeshift box and at
>> some time were jostled about and two of the batteries touched
>> terminals. The little plastic protectors came off and the batteries
>> shorted together. But no fire. Scorching, yes, but no fire. The
>> terminals of the batteries fried off. Nothing there but little nubs.
>> It's likely that there wasn't enough oxygen to keep the fire going.
>> Now had someone added an accelerant, that would be a different story.
>>
>> So there you go Robert. Is fire possible if you toss the battery in
>> the garbage without taping the terminals...... yes, but not PROBABLE.
>> If two new batteries touching terminals doesn't start a fire inside a
>> cardboard box stuffed with paper, it's highly doubtful a dead battery
>> tossed into a residential garage will.
>>
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by MissingLink on January 10, 2007, 8:44 pm
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> Julian
> I investigate fires as well as install alarms and have seen sevral fires
> started by batteries even flash light batteries when you have the right
> conditions you will get ignition in fact it is a well known trick by
> arsonists to use batteries
> to do a time delayed fire.

true but only a moron or a diy'er or an RLB trainee would throw a 12V 7 Ah
battery in the trash, tape or no tape over the terminals..



Posted by Crash Gordon on January 11, 2007, 12:19 am
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I always cut both terminals off as close as possible before tossing them in
my truck...nothing more annoying than a smoldering smell as you're driving
in traffic and can't stop.


|
| > Julian
| > I investigate fires as well as install alarms and have seen sevral fires
| > started by batteries even flash light batteries when you have the right
| > conditions you will get ignition in fact it is a well known trick by
| > arsonists to use batteries
| > to do a time delayed fire.
|
| true but only a moron or a diy'er or an RLB trainee would throw a 12V 7 Ah
| battery in the trash, tape or no tape over the terminals..
|
|



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