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Posted by on April 14, 2006, 1:04 pm
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if you don't want to read this all just skip to the question at the
end.
about a year ago i switched to a pc. when i did this a guy i knew said
it was absolutely necessary to get a firewall and some antiviral
program. so i ignored him.
last week i decided to finally protect my machine and found some
reviews on antiviral programs etc. the Shield was ranked very high so i
purchased it.
ironically i must have been infected either right after of right before
i installed it. soon my OS was giving me notifications that i was
infected. a process called "iexplore" was always hanging up my machine
when i tried to restart. no, this was not from me launching Internet
explorer. i use firefox. a program called spywarequake was generous
enough to have installed itself as well.
so, i ran the shield on my system. the whole thing. and it didn't' do a
damn thing. in fact the machine just crashed after about an hour of
scanning.
long story short, i did some research and found a way to manually
remove spywarequake:
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/spyware/SpywareQuakeRemoval.html
it has never appeared again and my system has stopped saying i'm
infected. however, a process called "iexpore" was still hangin me up
when i did a restart. i feel like my problems are not completely
solved.
almost forgot, after this my OS was behaving funny. and i did read that
spywarequake could mess with your OS. anyway i tried to do a reinstall
and my machine got hung up again. would no recognize the CD-rom.
finally i got a reinstall from an external cd-rom.
MY QUESTION:
is there a frighten and scam angle to these antiviral programs? i mean
this program did absolutely nothing for me. they took my money.
apparently i "need" them. but the reality i'm experiencing is something
like this. don't download stuff from sketchy porn sites.
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Posted by Bit Twister on April 14, 2006, 1:31 pm
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On 14 Apr 2006 10:04:36 -0700, cporro@gmail.com wrote:
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> MY QUESTION:
> is there a frighten and scam angle to these antiviral programs? i mean
> this program did absolutely nothing for me. they took my money.
> apparently i "need" them. but the reality i'm experiencing is something
> like this. don't download stuff from sketchy porn sites.
Window OSs running without firewalls/antivirus/worm/malware protection
do not run long before becoming infected when connected to the net
regardless of where you might surf.
Some malware has evolved which will disable your AV software. As long
as you are running that Microsoft OS, your odds of getting infections
are real good. Your AntiVirus software is like a car alarm. It works
lots of the time, but once in awhile, you get a breakin.
Once infected, you best choice is format, clean install from cd,
install/enable firewall, download AV database/update, get your OS
updates. There have been articles on how systems were infected while
downloading the updates to prevent the infection.
So what do you do if you want to continue to use your OS.
Buy a router to provide Network Address Translation between you and
your computer. That is your first line of defence. Now worms/malware
crawing the net can not find your computer behind the router to infect
you while you get your antivirus and OS updates installed.
Next, you install some third party mail reader and browsers to help
reduce to malware entry points.
Oh yes, you need to have your AV software getting update every hour
if not sooner.
Then create a user account without system privledges. That is the
account you always use unless doing some updates or installing
software.
At this point, your system is like like driving in a demolition derby.
You have beefed up your car, installed crash bars, using a seat belt
crash helment and crash padding.
Now you can plan on getting knocked out of the race by a Zero Day
Exploit or getting infected with some malware.
My choice, drive with a more secure OS.
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Posted by David H. Lipman on April 14, 2006, 2:28 pm
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| if you don't want to read this all just skip to the question at the
| end.
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| about a year ago i switched to a pc. when i did this a guy i knew said
| it was absolutely necessary to get a firewall and some antiviral
| program. so i ignored him.
|
| last week i decided to finally protect my machine and found some
| reviews on antiviral programs etc. the Shield was ranked very high so i
| purchased it.
|
| ironically i must have been infected either right after of right before
| i installed it. soon my OS was giving me notifications that i was
| infected. a process called "iexplore" was always hanging up my machine
| when i tried to restart. no, this was not from me launching Internet
| explorer. i use firefox. a program called spywarequake was generous
| enough to have installed itself as well.
|
| so, i ran the shield on my system. the whole thing. and it didn't' do a
| damn thing. in fact the machine just crashed after about an hour of
| scanning.
|
| long story short, i did some research and found a way to manually
| remove spywarequake:
| http://www.sunbelt-software.com/spyware/SpywareQuakeRemoval.html
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| it has never appeared again and my system has stopped saying i'm
| infected. however, a process called "iexpore" was still hangin me up
| when i did a restart. i feel like my problems are not completely
| solved.
|
| almost forgot, after this my OS was behaving funny. and i did read that
| spywarequake could mess with your OS. anyway i tried to do a reinstall
| and my machine got hung up again. would no recognize the CD-rom.
| finally i got a reinstall from an external cd-rom.
|
| MY QUESTION:
| is there a frighten and scam angle to these antiviral programs? i mean
| this program did absolutely nothing for me. they took my money.
| apparently i "need" them. but the reality i'm experiencing is something
| like this. don't download stuff from sketchy porn sites.
The Shield Pro is junk. While it is not listed on Spyware warrioor as a Rogue
like
WinAntivuris is SpywareQuake is listed as a Rogue anti spyware application.
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm
Next time check with professionals. You would have been pointed to reputable
software such
as Kaspersky or NOD32 anti virus software.
--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
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Posted by donnie on April 14, 2006, 2:31 pm
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>MY QUESTION:
>is there a frighten and scam angle to these antiviral programs?
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I think that's part of it. I haven't run an AV program on in years.
I feel I know how to protect myself without one. I do run spybot S&D
though and most times it says Congratulations, no problems found.
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Posted by Jim Watt on April 15, 2006, 2:51 am
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>I think that's part of it. I haven't run an AV program on in years.
>I feel I know how to protect myself without one. I do run spybot S&D
>though and most times it says Congratulations, no problems found.
I second that, a lot of problems I get are a result of AV software
and it sucks the guts out of some of my clients machines. Its
lost its way, as the threats today are different to when this stuff
was concieved and its been patched and extended
and bloated with all sorts of functionality leaving less for
applications.
Although S&D is good, I switched to the PC tools product
which is commercial and updated more often. It sorted out
spyaxe for a client and looked useful.
Process monitor from sysinternals is the final solution to most
problems, but these tools are only good for experienced users.
Otherwise, the best precaution is removing any executable
attachments from email at the server. 'virus scanning' is a
waste of time, kill 'em all.
My need for browser toolbars and animated 'screen savers'
and advertisment supported software is not detectable.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com
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