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SSL and Anti-Virus Art 06-10-2007
Posted by Art on June 10, 2007, 3:35 pm
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Is there an anti-virus program that can scan incoming mail that is
encrypted?

My provider recently required users to convert to SSL encrypted POP3
and STMP ports. This disabled my anti-virus software (and also
anti-spam) which can't read encrypted messages or attachments either
incoming or outgoing.

The provider has given me no clear answer on whether they perform
anti-virus scans before I download email to my client. They do claim
that encryption protects against viruses, but it seems to me even an
encrypted emal or attachment can contain a virus.

Art

Posted by Sebastian G. on June 10, 2007, 4:10 pm
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Art wrote:

> Is there an anti-virus program that can scan incoming mail that is
> encrypted?


As a proxy? No. Even if they would actually do it, do you think they'd do it
reliably?

> My provider recently required users to convert to SSL encrypted POP3
> and STMP ports. This disabled my anti-virus software (and also
> anti-spam) which can't read encrypted messages or attachments either
> incoming or outgoing.


WTF? Spam filtering normally is and should be part of the mail client, for
obvious reasons.

> The provider has given me no clear answer on whether they perform
> anti-virus scans before I download email to my client. They do claim
> that encryption protects against viruses, but it seems to me even an
> encrypted emal or attachment can contain a virus.


Beside that your ISP is telling you nonsense, you should wonder why you're
using a mail client that you think is potentially vulnerable to executing
arbitrary attachments. Anyway, a normal spam filter does a much better job
on this.

Posted by Vanguard on June 11, 2007, 12:04 am
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> Is there an anti-virus program that can scan incoming mail that is
> encrypted?
>
> My provider recently required users to convert to SSL encrypted POP3
> and STMP ports. This disabled my anti-virus software (and also
> anti-spam) which can't read encrypted messages or attachments either
> incoming or outgoing.
>
> The provider has given me no clear answer on whether they perform
> anti-virus scans before I download email to my client. They do claim
> that encryption protects against viruses, but it seems to me even an
> encrypted emal or attachment can contain a virus.
>
> Art


E-mail scanning is redundant. You don't need it. It will often
interfere with e-mail transfers (because of the injected delay in the
mail traffic while the on-demand scanner interrogates that mail
traffic). Besides, ALL e-mail gets sent as plain-text. If you look at
the source of the e-mail, it is all text. Any graphics or other binary
content or attachments are encoded into plain-text within a section in
the body of the e-mail. Plain-text is harmless. You would have to
actually DECODE that plain-text content when saving the attachment into
a file - and the same on-demand scanner used to interrogate your mail
traffic is the same on-demand scanner watching when you create a new
file when saving that attachment.



Posted by Ertugrul Soeylemez on June 13, 2007, 12:31 am
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> E-mail scanning is redundant. You don't need it. It will often
> interfere with e-mail transfers (because of the injected delay in the
> mail traffic while the on-demand scanner interrogates that mail
> traffic).

It is not. Some emails try to exploit certain vulnerabilities in email
clients. Such exploits are often based on a vulnerable mail
parser/decoder. Because parsing emails is such a complex matter, there
is a lot of room for bugs.


> Besides, ALL e-mail gets sent as plain-text. If you look at the
> source of the e-mail, it is all text. Any graphics or other binary
> content or attachments are encoded into plain-text within a section in
> the body of the e-mail. Plain-text is harmless.

Yes, as long as it lies on the server and is not parsed. Upon
forwarding it to the client, it _becomes_ potentially harmful, because
of the fact that the program has to parse and decode it.


> You would have to actually DECODE that plain-text content when saving
> the attachment into a file - and the same on-demand scanner used to
> interrogate your mail traffic is the same on-demand scanner watching
> when you create a new file when saving that attachment.

Things like images, HTML, sometimes even PDF or certain script types,
are decoded and run/displayed right away. Some clients take the detour
through a temporary file, but others display right away.


Regards,
Ertugrul S=C3=B6ylemez.


--=20
Security is the one concept, which makes things in your life stay as
they are. Otto is a man, who is afraid of changes in his life; so
naturally he does not employ security.

Posted by Sebastian G. on June 13, 2007, 8:31 am
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Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote:


> It is not. Some emails try to exploit certain vulnerabilities in email
> clients. Such exploits are often based on a vulnerable mail
> parser/decoder. Because parsing emails is such a complex matter, there
> is a lot of room for bugs.


And which virus scanner detects such exploits? And wouldn't it rather be a
good reason to switch your mail client if it has outstanding unpatched
vulnerabilities for so long that even virus scanners already contain
signatures for it?

>> You would have to actually DECODE that plain-text content when saving
>> the attachment into a file - and the same on-demand scanner used to
>> interrogate your mail traffic is the same on-demand scanner watching
>> when you create a new file when saving that attachment.
>
> Things like images, HTML, sometimes even PDF or certain script types,
> are decoded and run/displayed right away.


Very strange. The only thing that should be automatically processed is
S/MIME and OpenPGP. Anything else is plaintext and attachments.

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