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Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL #2 Aluxe 10-19-2006
Posted by #2 Aluxe on October 19, 2006, 12:00 am
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:09:36 GMT, Duane Arnold wrote:
> Am I missing something here?
> Who cares about some IP the ISP's NG server is using?

Hi Duane,

Yep. I think you're missing something. Either that, or I am. :)

Apparently in your world, the NNTP posting host is the ISP's news server.
If that were the case in my world, then the NNTP posting host would remain
static as I don't change that (even when I do change it, it wouldn't matter
as you'll soon see if you keep your eyes open).

You see, in my world ... unfortunately for me ... the NNTP posting host is
apparently my router's IP address. At least that is what seems to show up.

For example, my router currently is telling me that my IP address is
"69.110.8.45" based on a "Status" "Router" "IP Address" command in my web
browser connected to the router's port 80.

In your world, that wouldn't show up as your NNTP posting host but I
suspect that, in my world, that IP address will show up as my NNTP posting
host, no matter what actual NNTP posting host I choose out of the scores
provided to me by my ISP.

Let me know if I am right or wrong.
--
Aluxe (new IP address)


Posted by Duane Arnold on October 19, 2006, 12:48 am
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> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:09:36 GMT, Duane Arnold wrote:
>> Am I missing something here?
>> Who cares about some IP the ISP's NG server is using?
>
> Hi Duane,
>
> Yep. I think you're missing something. Either that, or I am. :)
>
> Apparently in your world, the NNTP posting host is the ISP's news server.
> If that were the case in my world, then the NNTP posting host would remain
> static as I don't change that (even when I do change it, it wouldn't
> matter
> as you'll soon see if you keep your eyes open).

There is nothing you can do about *anything* when it comes to the IP the NG
server is using. You're (your machine is just) a client and you the client
can do *nothing* about the IP being used by the NNTP server.

http://www.tech-faq.com/nntp.shtml


>
> You see, in my world ... unfortunately for me ... the NNTP posting host is
> apparently my router's IP address. At least that is what seems to show up.

So, the information about the IP that's assigned to your router from the ISP
to communicate on their network and the NNTP are the same IP. It's only an
IP that's pointing back to the ISP's network It doesn't mean that the IP is
pointing to an NNTP server.

>
> For example, my router currently is telling me that my IP address is
> "69.110.8.45" based on a "Status" "Router" "IP Address" command in my web
> browser connected to the router's port 80.
>
> In your world, that wouldn't show up as your NNTP posting host but I
> suspect that, in my world, that IP address will show up as my NNTP posting
> host, no matter what actual NNTP posting host I choose out of the scores
> provided to me by my ISP.

Port 80 and port (119 NNTP port) are two different ports and two different
protcols. HTTP traffic is on port 80 and NNTP traffic is on port 119. The
common factor is the IP assigned by the ISP to the modem, your public IP.
But I would suspect that port 119 traffic is forwarded/routed to another
IP/machine on the ISP's network whether or not the NNTP server is
physically sitting on the ISP's network.



But again, what does any of this have to do with the context of your
original post about *secuirty and privacy*?



I'll tell you. It means nothing.



Duane :)





Posted by #2 Aluxe on October 19, 2006, 1:41 am
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:48:18 GMT, Duane Arnold wrote:
> There is nothing you can do about *anything* when it comes to the IP the NG
> server is using. You're (your machine is just) a client and you the client
> can do *nothing* about the IP being used by the NNTP server.
> http://www.tech-faq.com/nntp.shtml

Hi Duane,
This is very interesting.

Can I infer from your helpful reply that I can do nothing to change what is
listed as my NNTP posting host (being my router's unique IP address).

For example, if I look at the header of YOUR posts, I see:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.252.209.155
Does that mean your router currently has that IP address?

But, that doesnt' mesh with what I see by looking at other people's posts.
For example, posts from "Dana" or "Mark McIntyre" don't even seem to have
an NNTP Posting Host line. And those from "Warren Oates" have the news
server as the NNTP posting host:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 5b202376.news.astraweb.com

Does YOUR NNTP posting host indicate your news server or your router's IP
address?

The better question would be how can we remove the NNTP Posting Host line
from our posts like "Dana" and "Mark McIntyre" seem to cleverly achieved?

Posted by Dana on October 19, 2006, 2:05 am
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> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:48:18 GMT, Duane Arnold wrote:
> > There is nothing you can do about *anything* when it comes to the IP the
NG
> > server is using. You're (your machine is just) a client and you the
client
> > can do *nothing* about the IP being used by the NNTP server.
> > http://www.tech-faq.com/nntp.shtml
>
> Hi Duane,
> This is very interesting.
>
> Can I infer from your helpful reply that I can do nothing to change what
is
> listed as my NNTP posting host (being my router's unique IP address).
>
> For example, if I look at the header of YOUR posts, I see:
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.252.209.155
> Does that mean your router currently has that IP address?
>
> But, that doesnt' mesh with what I see by looking at other people's posts.
> For example, posts from "Dana" or "Mark McIntyre" don't even seem to have
> an NNTP Posting Host line. And those from "Warren Oates" have the news
> server as the NNTP posting host:
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 5b202376.news.astraweb.com
>
> Does YOUR NNTP posting host indicate your news server or your router's IP
> address?
>
> The better question would be how can we remove the NNTP Posting Host line
> from our posts like "Dana" and "Mark McIntyre" seem to cleverly achieved?

Since I am using OE there is not a lot I can do to my headers, especially
changing my nntp posting host. According to the RFC for NNTP, your news
server can remove that if the client (for me outlook express) sends it.
So I am thinking it is my ISP that is doing the removal, or it is your news
reader.
Since you seem to have so much time, the posts with no nntp posting host,
are they all using the same reader like I am using outlook express.



Posted by #2 Aluxe on October 19, 2006, 2:18 am
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:05:22 -0800, Dana wrote:
> The posts with no nntp posting host,
> are they all using the same reader like I am using outlook express.

Hi Dana,

Nope. For example, Mark McIntyre's header implies he is using:
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846

I will download and install Forte Agent to see if it's the newsreader or
the ISP who is forcing my NNTP Posting Host to be the same unique IP
address as my router.

If the solution (to not post my unique IP address with every post) is as
simple as switching newsreaders, that's would finally be the technial
answer I was looking for all along.

It's so easy to get emotional ... it's much harder to answer the question!
:)

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