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Posted by Dana on October 19, 2006, 2:34 pm
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> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:01:48 -0800, Dana wrote:
> >> If you are posting on the internet, presumably you want to be read.
> > Very well said Chris.
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> Hi Dana,
>
> Even though Chris didn't offer a viable solution that was easier or less
> expensive than simply rebooting the router each morning ...
>
> He DID supply a thoughtful and comprehensive explanation of why people are
> so completely against me trying to force my router to dial into the PPPoE
> connection upon demand in order to not have the same IP address broadcast
> to everyone on every posting I provide.
>
> We both could tell, just from his speech, that he was an educated
> intelligent person who had an opinion on the matter which he courteously
> supplied ... and which I appreciate ... as I need his (and your) help in
> order to resolve my technical dilemma.
>
> Thank you all for your very kind help ... I hope (after all this), we
> finally do figure out how to get the router to dial into the DHCP PPPoE
> account on demand!
It is not that people do not want to help, it is the issue that the solution
you are looking for, will really not help you in your goal.
Changing your IP or MAC address on your computer hooked to the DSL
connection you change will not add to your privacy.
As Chris said, using Unix/Linux (and even windows, just takes a lot more
work), and bypassing an ISP (in other words you directly connect to the
internet), make it a lot easier to hide your identity from those looking.
You would still not be invisible, but it would take more work to find out
who you are.
For you to achieve your goal of posting in privacy on the internet, you will
have to pay a service provider that offers that service.
What they do is they do not forward your headers (your nntp posting host
line, etc) and instead use theirs, that basically hides where you post from.
Or you can get a linux OS and a news reader that allows you to modify your
headers. But then to really hide yourself you would have to read up on the
NNTP RFC
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc977.txt
In another post you mentioned ROI, well changing your IP and MAC in this
situation does not give you a decent ROI, instead it is more like you bought
some tap water from a snake oil salesmen.
You keep going back to you want your router to reconnect via your PPOE to
get a new IP address. Well that IP address will never be yours to begin
with. If someone searches that IP address, they will find it belongs to your
ISP. They might get close to your geographical area, but that is about it.
If people want to search through the news groups to find your posts, there
are more ways to do that than just using the IP address or NNTP posting
host.
So if your goal is to be able to post anonymously on the newsgroups, pay the
20 to 30 dollars some providers charge for that service, or use an OS and
news client that will allow you to manipulate your headers.
Another way to remain semi anon, is to post via google groups, I hate saying
that as I find the interface for google groups to be very lacking in
functionality.
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Posted by Aluxe on October 19, 2006, 2:42 pm
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:34:12 -0800, Dana wrote:
> Another way to remain semi anon, is to post via google groups, I hate saying
> that as I find the interface for google groups to be very lacking in
> functionality.
Been there. Done that. In my case, google also uses my assigned IP address
as the NNTP posting host. ...
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Posted by Rasta Robert on October 22, 2006, 11:04 am
If you were Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:34:12 -0800, Dana wrote:
>> Another way to remain semi anon, is to post via google groups, I hate saying
>> that as I find the interface for google groups to be very lacking in
>> functionality.
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> Been there. Done that. In my case, google also uses my assigned IP address
> as the NNTP posting host. ...
You just need to find a newsserver that doesn't attach the NTTP-posting-host
header. I don't know if there are any open/free newsservers that do that or
that you will need to get an account at some pay server.
You can't make that header dissapear on your side with any software solution.
Posting through some anonymising proxy to an open newsserver would be another
option. The disconnecting/reconnecting in the hope of getting a new IP#
is rather unelegant and will still give you an IP# out of a limited IP-block.
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Posted by Aluxe on October 22, 2006, 3:23 pm
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> You just need to find a newsserver that doesn't attach the NTTP-posting-host
> header. I don't know if there are any open/free newsservers that do that or
> that you will need to get an account at some pay server.
> You can't make that header dissapear on your side with any software solution.
> Posting through some anonymising proxy to an open newsserver would be another
> option. The disconnecting/reconnecting in the hope of getting a new IP#
> is rather unelegant and will still give you an IP# out of a limited IP-block.
Hi Rasta Robert,
Thank you for your kind advice. Until midway through this thread, I was
unaware that I was basically in a small subset of nntp posters whose
assigned IP address is what is shown in usenet news headers (as opposed to
a tremendously more obscure nntp news server).
Therefore, it became even more imperative for me to change my IP address
daily (notwithstanding the argument that there is only a limited set of IP
addresses which the ISP randomly assigns to me).
The options you suggest are viable ... but alas ... all cost more or are
more work than just powering down the modem at night and then powering up
the modem in the morning and then cycling the router a few seconds later.
If I could only figure out how to get the router to connect back to the ISP
in the morning (which is always after the original IP address has already
been given away) - that would be cost effective and simple.
I think (but I do not know for sure) that this inability for the router to
realize that there is no IP address coming out of the modem, is a bug in
the router. What would we do to prove that is a bug and not just a design
feature? Certainly it's not documented to act that way in the user manual
which implies the router knows when there is no connection to the ISP and
the router will connect upon the next demand to do so.
Seems to me this is a bug in the router.
Can anyone reliably confirm or deny?
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Posted by Aluxe on October 19, 2006, 2:49 pm
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> Changing your IP or MAC address on your computer hooked to the DSL
> connection you change will not add to your privacy.
Hi Dana,
I do very much appreciate your help.
Can we just agree to disagree and move on to the technical question?
Why?
Because most people who opined are NOT in the same situation as I am.
They obviously did not put themselves in my shower slippers.
Some even seemed shocked that my assigned IP address was broadcast on every
one of my usenet nntp posts because theirs wasn't.
Even so, we did discuss some good issues though.
I, for one, DID LEARN from this discussion that my changing of my computer
MAC was pointless (in most cases, but, not in the public hotspot case) and
for that I THANK YOU all heartily for edifying me. I do realize the MAC
changes will NOT be at all additive to privacy and aren't even worth the
price of the free software that I used to change the MAC address.
And, I think some of you learned of the tattletale bit on the MAC address
(although we're waiting for confirmation of same).
I also learned of router settings to keep the connection alive upon demand;
and, I learned that the PC IP address (and MAC) were the wrong focus.
For all this I thank you all!
I think we can just agree to disagree (actually, some of you actually
understand my dilemma and do agree with me so that is gratifying even
though I am trying to keep emotions out of this ... and paranoia :)
Thank you all ... I'll try to concentrate on the one remaining question
which is how to get the router to re-establish the PPPoE connection as
automatically as possible when the modem is powered back on in the morning.
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