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Re: Cloned disk "thinks" it is much smaller than it is.

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Re: Cloned disk "thinks" it is much smaller than it is. Nomen Nescio 08-12-2005
Posted by Nomen Nescio on August 12, 2005, 9:00 pm
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Apologies for not having mentioned the cloning software used; I don't
recall (it was done half a year ago); it was not Norton Ghost.
The OS is Win2K and the BIOS recognizes 200MB drives fine.

The issue is "now what?" Are there some bytes in some sector that I can
find with a disk editor and change them so that the disk will now "know"
its true size? Is there any other fix other than a complete
re-installation?
If I were to clone the present 200GB drive (which thinks it is an 80GB
one) to a third drive, say, a 200GB one, which software would you
recommend to use so that this third drive will not "think" it is an 80GB
one?

And, by the way, this IS a security issue in the following sense: Could
one hide data in the seemingly inaccessible 200-80 GB space, and access
it with some other software? Would Encase see it?


Posted by nemo_outis on August 13, 2005, 3:25 pm
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> Apologies for not having mentioned the cloning software used; I don't
> recall (it was done half a year ago); it was not Norton Ghost.
> The OS is Win2K and the BIOS recognizes 200MB drives fine.
>
> The issue is "now what?" Are there some bytes in some sector that I
> can find with a disk editor and change them so that the disk will now
> "know" its true size? Is there any other fix other than a complete
> re-installation?
> If I were to clone the present 200GB drive (which thinks it is an 80GB
> one) to a third drive, say, a 200GB one, which software would you
> recommend to use so that this third drive will not "think" it is an
> 80GB one?
>
> And, by the way, this IS a security issue in the following sense:
> Could one hide data in the seemingly inaccessible 200-80 GB space, and
> access it with some other software? Would Encase see it?



As a WAG the problem may arise from:

1. Your ghosting, if done in sector-by-sector mode, copied - and later
restored - the "original" partition table. If so, that table will have
"old" information about partition cylinder boundaries, etc. (or the
equivalent re LBA).

2. Some NTFS partitions/drives implicitly contain metadata about the
drive size in the MFT and related structures.

The first is reasonably easy to fix - edit the table directly if you
know what you're doing, or find a partition mamager/resizer that will
handle it (most should?).. I don't have a clue about the second problem
except to know it exists and that there are several Norton Ghost
switches to handle it (e.g., -ntexact, -ntiid, etc.).

Regards,



Posted by bellaw on August 13, 2005, 10:41 pm
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Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Apologies for not having mentioned the cloning software used; I don't
> recall (it was done half a year ago); it was not Norton Ghost.
> The OS is Win2K and the BIOS recognizes 200MB drives fine.
>
> The issue is "now what?" Are there some bytes in some sector that I can
> find with a disk editor and change them so that the disk will now "know"
> its true size? Is there any other fix other than a complete
> re-installation?
> If I were to clone the present 200GB drive (which thinks it is an 80GB
> one) to a third drive, say, a 200GB one, which software would you
> recommend to use so that this third drive will not "think" it is an 80GB
> one?
>
> And, by the way, this IS a security issue in the following sense: Could
> one hide data in the seemingly inaccessible 200-80 GB space, and access
> it with some other software? Would Encase see it?
my suggestion would be to format a another drive using partion magic
magic then clone the 200/80 gb onto that with norton ghost then
re-format the 200/80 gb drive to the size of 200 gb
lawrie


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