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Posted by Roger Parks on January 23, 2007, 10:50 am
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> The concept of providing assistance, especially to people who wish to
> learn, is to provide constructive criticism, not to say "I know how it
> works, so do it my way or else you may as well not do it at all." I can
> see that you do indeed know about computer security, and you can provide
> a wealth of information, as well as to identify potential threats; but
> that does not mean that someone who offers a suggestion that does not
> cover that threat is incompetent and deserves only your contempt.
>
> Instead of saying "No, your wrong because of this. Do it my way - /it/
> works", perhaps something more along the lines of "Yes, that will cover
> those threats, but will still leave open this vulnerability. This should
> cover it as well", and be open to further suggestions that are perhaps
> easier to manage/implement, instead of saying "my way works, so use it".
You mis-diagnose the situation.
There is a broad range of experience-levels here - not only beginners -
and a terse reminder is frequently more useful than some drawn out,
entry-level tutorial. Time is valuable, and contributors can either write
one or two tutorials/month, or make more frequent posts that will be
appreciated by at least a few.
For example, consider the preceding exchange:
">> Like everyone else, I want to prevent any hackers from attacking my
>> machine. I want to block those attacks,
> There is no need to block anything that should trivially fail anyway."
This is a brilliant way of quickly reminding the reader that, " "blocking"
is not necessary when there are neither listening services nor active
daemons (either using or bypassing the communications stack). Focus your
attention on careful administration."
Many (not all) would prefer the more succinct comment, to none at all.
Instead of complaining that someone's style is terse, seems cryptic, and
lacks politically-correct nuance, try calmly understanding what is being
said - it may require rereading, and a follow-up question. Many
experienced users tire of the eternal question, "which is the best
firewall" and simply go away.
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progress to consolidate and transmit driver, system and kernel logs;
document and report disallowed activities and unapproved content.
Revocation clause has been invoked. Submit an explanation, and request an
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Posted by Sebastian Gottschalk on January 22, 2007, 3:53 pm
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Zilbandy wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:28:14 +0100, Sebastian Gottschalk
>
>>> but I'm curious to know the reasons behind your stance that it's worthless.
>>
>>Obviously: It isn't reliable to any point, thus doesn't provide any
>>security. It's an intrusion detection mechanism at best, and even then
>>worthless due to the decrease of security by the implementation.
>
> A lock on your front door is worthless if someone really wants to
> break into your house... but I bet you have one, anyway. Why?
A front door isn't supposed to provide any security, but rather is a demand
from your insurance company.
That's why really important stuff is usually kept in a safe, not leaving
the "protection" to just a simple front door.
Beside that, you're drawing strange comparisons between analogue and
digital worlds. There is no equivalent of "more force/energy/power" in
digital world, and all possibilities are enumerable.
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Posted by Wraeth on January 22, 2007, 10:05 pm
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> Is a software firewall such as Zone Alarm essential for added
> protection if I am already using the XP firewall, AVG antivirus (free)
> and have a wired router (D-link-524)? Will it offer me any additional
> protection? If so, is there a better free firewall than Zone alarm?
>
> Thanks.
Dickie,
This site my friend made is aimed towards explaining computer security
for the not-precisely-computer-literate staff of a school he worked at,
and explains everything on the assumption that you have only a basic
knowledge of computers (basic point-and-click skills, basic knowledge of
the Internet). It may not be exactly what you need, but as well as
giving a basic overview of computer security, it points you to several
resources, and tells you how you can learn more - either about security,
or how to protect yourself.
http://www.jpc.nsw.edu.au/support/self/security.htm
Have a look and that should help you out.
Cheers, and good luck
wraeth
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Posted by Sebastian Gottschalk on February 13, 2007, 11:24 pm
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> Because a router is HARDware.
A computer also is HARDware.
BTW, just the router's hardware alone won't make you happy without the
SOFTware running on it.
Implicitly, I think you want to refer to the fact that the router is a
dedicated device, whereas a host-based packet filter runs on the host you
want to protect.
Then again, a router is not a firewall and usually hardly suitable for
implementing such one.
And you're lacking argument. Spinach also tastes better if I replace it
with a hamburger before eating.
*and damn learn how to quote decently*
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Posted by Seniors Guide to Computers on February 14, 2007, 8:59 pm
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hardware? Spyware CANNOT disable a router but it can disable ZoneAlarm!!!
http://www.seniorsguidetocomputers.com
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:26:07 -0500, "Seniors Guide to Computers"
>
>>Because a router is HARDware.
>
> So is my computer.
>
> I'm still interrested to know the reasoning behind your conclusion.
>
> You are basically saying that adding a router changes using the
> windows firewall from being a not very good idea to being a great
> idea.
>
> /B. Nice
>
> --
> "Anti-virus industry / security software industry is slowly giving
> up" - Eugene Kaspersky at RSA 2007
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