Installing Certificates . Why?? help please

Installing Certificates . Why?? help please

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Installing Certificates . Why?? help please Galadrial 08-26-2007
Posted by Galadrial on August 26, 2007, 8:09 am
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I know little about security certificates but am following advice to check
the details when using an HTTPS site. Can anyone tell me what the Install
Certificate option is when I check, for instance GRC's certificate?

Thanks for your time



Posted by Sebastian G. on August 26, 2007, 8:54 am
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Galadrial wrote:

> I know little about security certificates but am following advice to check
> the details when using an HTTPS site. Can anyone tell me what the Install
> Certificate option is when I check,


It locally stores the certificate for later comparison when it's a root cert.

> for instance GRC's certificate?


Then for nothing. You visited a charlatan's website and you want to add his
self-signed root cert to your cert store? Utterly foolish.

Posted by Jim Watt on August 27, 2007, 4:48 am
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:09:23 GMT, "Galadrial"

>I know little about security certificates but am following advice to check
>the details when using an HTTPS site. Can anyone tell me what the Install
>Certificate option is when I check, for instance GRC's certificate?
>
>Thanks for your time

I think Certificates on a web server have three uses

1. To show that the site is genuine
2. To encrypt the session
3. To generate an income for the certificate authority (CA)

Because the CA takes reasonable care not to issue, for
example a certificate saying 'Microsoft' to joe hacker
then it establishes trust that you really are dealing
with say, Microsoft.

If you can trust that the site you are using really
is genuine, and it happens to be someone who has generated
his own certificate, because they know how and wish to
avoid paying a CA, then its OK to add it to your browser.

The CA root certificates get added automatically by the
browser authors, but obviously they do not cater for people
who 'roll their own' so there is the provision to add them
yourself, under caution.

For a serious e-commerce website, its a false economy to
do this, although I do know a large bank who use the wrong
certificate on their electronic banking site. For a small
e-commerce site, like GRC's its reasonable.

You either trust him or you don't. I use spinrite and
its saved my arse, and he did pick up on the 'real downloader'
spyware issue rather well when I mentioned it to him, so I
think he is OK, Sebastian seems to be of the other view.

Not that it matters much.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

Posted by Galadrial on August 27, 2007, 7:08 am
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Thanks Jim, getting clearer. To summarise, if the certificate is issued by
the website themselves then be very sure before installing. Just not clear
what, if anything, I am missing out on by not installing - whether a self
certificate I decide to trust or one issued by a known and trusted authority
(Versign in GRC's case)? I have not problem with GRC's site, the
certificate looks fine and I'm not getting any warnings.

> On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:09:23 GMT, "Galadrial"
>
>>I know little about security certificates but am following advice to check
>>the details when using an HTTPS site. Can anyone tell me what the Install
>>Certificate option is when I check, for instance GRC's certificate?
>>
>>Thanks for your time
>
> I think Certificates on a web server have three uses
>
> 1. To show that the site is genuine
> 2. To encrypt the session
> 3. To generate an income for the certificate authority (CA)
>
> Because the CA takes reasonable care not to issue, for
> example a certificate saying 'Microsoft' to joe hacker
> then it establishes trust that you really are dealing
> with say, Microsoft.
>
> If you can trust that the site you are using really
> is genuine, and it happens to be someone who has generated
> his own certificate, because they know how and wish to
> avoid paying a CA, then its OK to add it to your browser.
>
> The CA root certificates get added automatically by the
> browser authors, but obviously they do not cater for people
> who 'roll their own' so there is the provision to add them
> yourself, under caution.
>
> For a serious e-commerce website, its a false economy to
> do this, although I do know a large bank who use the wrong
> certificate on their electronic banking site. For a small
> e-commerce site, like GRC's its reasonable.
>
> You either trust him or you don't. I use spinrite and
> its saved my arse, and he did pick up on the 'real downloader'
> spyware issue rather well when I mentioned it to him, so I
> think he is OK, Sebastian seems to be of the other view.
>
> Not that it matters much.
> --
> Jim Watt
> http://www.gibnet.com



Posted by nemo_outis on August 27, 2007, 9:07 am
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...
> Because the CA takes reasonable care not to issue, for
> example a certificate saying 'Microsoft' to joe hacker
> then it establishes trust that you really are dealing
> with say, Microsoft.
...

Funny you should pick Microsoft as your example regarding this point. In
January 2001, VeriSign **erroneously issued** two Class 3 code-signing
certificates to someone falsely claiming to represent Microsoft. It was 6
weeks before anyone noticed!

Regards,


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