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Posted by Sebastian Gottschalk on October 22, 2006, 12:30 pm
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Moe Trin wrote:
>>> But why are you installing viruses, spyware, trojans, and similar in the
>>> first place? Or do you believe there is a "Mal-ware Fairy" that comes
>>> around and waves the magic wand over your computer to install malware
>>> without your knowledge.
>>
>> Don't be innocent, even if you're very cautious, a lot of dirt comes into
>> your PC...!
This is nonsense, at least when you're not believing in Malware Fairies. On
the other and, what about stating an example where cautiousness with all
its implicitations is insufficient to address any such problem?
> Look at the headers of this post - I'm not using a web browser for everything
> because it's the only "tool" I can use.
I wonder, because he doesn't seem to do so either. However, he uses Outlook
Express, which has well-known unpatched vulnerabilities and by design isn't
suitable to be used on the internet (or any other untrusted network)
> It is because I am not using a browser for everything that I don't have to
worry
> about all of the mal-ware in the mail,
There's actually no reason to worry about malware in eMails, because
there's absolutely no need to execute it. Well, unless you're misusing OE
as an eMail client.
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Posted by Jim Watt on October 22, 2006, 2:54 pm
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:50:20 -0500, ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld
(Moe Trin) wrote:
>It is because I am not using
>a browser for everything that I don't have to worry about all of the
>mal-ware in the mail,
What you don't remove attachments at the mail server ?
Kill them all I say.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com
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Posted by Moe Trin on October 23, 2006, 3:56 pm
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> (Moe Trin) wrote:
>> It is because I am not using a browser for everything that I don't
>> have to worry about all of the mal-ware in the mail,
> What you don't remove attachments at the mail server ?
The mail reader I use (a recent release of the original Berkeley 'mail'
program from the late 1970s) only knows how to _display_ mail as text.
It doesn't matter what the mail is, I see it as text. Now seeing as how
I really don't give a d4mn what colo[u]r crayon you used to scrawl your
brilliant thoughts on the computer screen, if the mail doesn't look like
words in a language I understand displayed in a typeface and font size of
my choosing, it gets tossed unless I know exactly what the garbage is.
Oh, and not running windoze means the mal-ware isn't coded to be able to
run on my O/S even if I were st00pid enough to try to run it manually.
However I must also admit that yes, I do run a filter on the mail server.
To those who whine that I may miss some important mail because of that,
I point out that email is not a guaranteed delivery service (read the
specifications), and should never be trusted for important deliveries
that may effect your lifestyle. Yes, that means I've missed all those
wonderful offers from the widows, orphans and shady bank officials to
share those millions of dollars, or those notifications that I had won
that lottery that I never entered - that would be more than enough to pay
off the mortgage, buy all the pills, cars, or insurance I could ever need
(or desire), or what-ever. And how _will_ I ever survive if they disable
those accounts I don't have at CitiBank, BofA, Sumitomo Bank, Handelsbank,
or Paypal. Oh, deary, deary me. Tough, isn't it.
>Kill them all I say.
The attachments? Or those who send them?
Old guy
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Posted by Sebastian Gottschalk on October 23, 2006, 4:11 pm
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>>> It is because I am not using a browser for everything that I don't
>>> have to worry about all of the mal-ware in the mail,
>
>> What you don't remove attachments at the mail server ?
>
> The mail reader I use (a recent release of the original Berkeley 'mail'
> program from the late 1970s) only knows how to _display_ mail as text.
> It doesn't matter what the mail is, I see it as text. Now seeing as how
> I really don't give a d4mn what colo[u]r crayon you used to scrawl your
> brilliant thoughts on the computer screen, if the mail doesn't look like
> words in a language I understand displayed in a typeface and font size of
> my choosing, it gets tossed unless I know exactly what the garbage is.
Now sorry, but that's a bit lousy. It should support MIME, it should
support S/MIME and OpenPGP/MIME and maybe also OpenPGP/inline. It should be
able to handle various mailing list headers, and support for text/enriched
(you know: *fat* _underlined_ /cursive/ <http://hyper.link/blah>) would
also be nice.
Anyway, attachments aren't a problem. The problem are mailclients that
render attachments containing HTML like websites, partitially even with
support for JavaScript.
>>Kill them all I say.
>
> The attachments? Or those who send them?
No need to do so. However, those who consider sending a mail that only
consists of one single attachment in HTML containing the real message, but
no cleartext part, should be reported to the abuse department. After all,
no serious client would even try to break down the HTML part into
cleartext, and neither display it - but simply show a blank message, as
exactly what it is.
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