Discussion Regarding Digital Signatures

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Discussion Regarding Digital Signatures Ari 08-01-2007
Posted by Unruh on December 31, 2007, 4:40 pm
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>>Hello!
>>You wrote on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:22:28 -0500:
>>
>> A> I see what your saying but the most important process is the
>> A> authentication of the *identity* of the signer. If there is no ID that
>> A> is verified, then the rest doesn't matter. I can use your Adobe on your
>> A> computer to sign in your name as long as I can get to your software.
>>
>>That's a totally different story. Digital signatures don't prove the
>>identity of the user, they prove the set of "what the person has" and "what
>>the person knows". With digital means you can't reliably prove "what the
>>person is", i.e. whether the signature or fingerprint - once they are placed
>>into the document, they can be duplicated.
>>
>>Example: you can copy the signature (or fingerprint) from the document I
>>signed, then come to my computer and use it to create another document.
>>Afaik there's no reliable solution for this problem.

Well, no. Digital signatures of a document usually combine something which
uniquely identifies the document with something you have.
Thus take the AES sum of the document, and then encrypt that with your
private key. Anyone can then use your public key to unencrypt it and check
whether the AES signature agrees with their generated signature of the
document. Noone else can do that. They can take the AES sum of the
ducument, but cannot encrypt it with your private key.
Ie, you CANNOT use the signature from document 1 to sign document 2. The
AES hashes will not agree.




> You're forgetting that a good digital signature is a
> transformation of a secure hash of the original. Take this
> signature and see if it works with any other document:

Agreed. Just amplifying.

Posted by Eugene Mayevski on January 1, 2008, 5:17 am
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Hello!
You wrote on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:40:52 GMT:

U> Well, no. Digital signatures of a document usually combine something
U> which uniquely identifies the document with something you have.

I was talking about graphic signature or a fingerprint, i.e. "what the
person is". Please read more attentively.

With best regards,
Eugene Mayevski

Posted by Eugene Mayevski on January 1, 2008, 5:16 am
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Hello!
You wrote on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:23:21 -0500:

AT> You're forgetting that a good digital signature is a
AT> transformation of a secure hash of the original. Take this
AT> signature and see if it works with any other document:

I was talking about graphic signature or a fingerprint, i.e. "what the
person is". Please read more attentively.

With best regards,
Eugene Mayevski


Posted by Arthur T. on January 1, 2008, 1:53 pm
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>Hello!
>You wrote on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:23:21 -0500:
>
> AT> You're forgetting that a good digital signature is a
> AT> transformation of a secure hash of the original. Take this
> AT> signature and see if it works with any other document:
>
>I was talking about graphic signature or a fingerprint, i.e. "what the
>person is". Please read more attentively.

And in the original post, Ari was looking for:

>By "digital signature", the requirements are:
>
>1) that a physical "mark" appear and
>2) that the digital signature protects the document from tampering
>(invalidates it if tampered with will do)

I replied under the (mistaken) impression that *you* had read
more attentively.

--
Arthur T. - ar23hur "at" intergate "dot" com
Looking for a z/OS (IBM mainframe) systems programmer position

Posted by Eugene Mayevski on January 1, 2008, 2:15 pm
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Hello!
You wrote on Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:53:12 -0500:

AT> And in the original post, Ari was looking for:

... And if we continue, we will come to the talk about the look-a-like
signature (i.e. the image of the hand-made signature)

With best regards,
Eugene Mayevski


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