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Program integrity Morgan Ohlson 12-19-2005
Posted by optikl on December 20, 2005, 6:09 pm
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Morgan Ohlson wrote:

>>But, if it is, I'd try using
>>something like Process Explorer to make sure that what you expect to be
>>running is.
>
>
> If a prog called Antivir.exe is running, how could you tell if it is
> scanning or just counting fantasy files!?
> ...I couldn't... and probably most users couldn't.
>

Morgan, in the example you provided under separate post, the Trojan
renames executables and blocks services, as I suspected would be the
routine. Therefore, a Program like TaskCatcher or WinPatrol should be
able to detect these changes.

Posted by Morgan Ohlson on December 21, 2005, 4:55 pm
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:09:04 -0600, optikl wrote:

> Morgan Ohlson wrote:
>
>>>But, if it is, I'd try using
>>>something like Process Explorer to make sure that what you expect to be
>>>running is.
>>
>>
>> If a prog called Antivir.exe is running, how could you tell if it is
>> scanning or just counting fantasy files!?
>> ...I couldn't... and probably most users couldn't.
>>
>
> Morgan, in the example you provided under separate post, the Trojan
> renames executables and blocks services, as I suspected would be the
> routine. Therefore, a Program like TaskCatcher or WinPatrol should be
> able to detect these changes.

Yes... I use WinPatrol... but unfortunetaley all normal pc users most
likely, sometimes have to pass WinPatrol notifiers that isn't 100% clear.

As I understand it most shitty things that happens in a computer are
triggered by some "normal event" wich makes it hard to separate good
prg-starts from bad.

Just the other day my Avast started to automatic check for updates. I don't
remember accepting that...and the Avast definitely didn't ask me !!!
Security software must act to improve user trust. That means every change
should be asked for, and something like a link given to official homepage
where the change is described to prove the change official status.
___All security software must improve it's cooperation with the pc user in
a simple but realiable way. Scanners are not magical, and they shouldn't try
to give that impression, as most (all I have seen) do today.

Morgan O.

Posted by Offbreed on December 23, 2005, 10:37 am
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Morgan Ohlson wrote:

> ___All security software must improve it's cooperation with the pc user in
> a simple but realiable way. Scanners are not magical, and they shouldn't try
> to give that impression, as most (all I have seen) do today.

Well, they have a wide range of customers with a wide range of
expectations, and every one of them is going to complain if the program
does not behave as they expect or want. Most don't know enough to
criticize intelligently, or use more versatile tools.

Your name does not stand out in my memory. If you are new, you might go
back through the old posts and see how many times people complain about
"friends" shutting down fire walls or anti virus programs in order to
view or run something the safety program does not like, and the computer
gets some sort of malware.

At the other end, you have people like Art, David, and several others
(some not currently posting) who only need anti malware programs in case
some new approach slips something in on them. They don't really need
"consumer quality" safety programs.

In the middle, there's a wide variety of people who want to control
their computers but don't know enough to be as safe as Art, David, etc.
And that sounds like where you are, right now.

Study more, gripe less.

Posted by Morgan Ohlson on December 28, 2005, 4:50 am
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:37:27 -0800, Offbreed wrote:

> Morgan Ohlson wrote:
>
>> ___All security software must improve it's cooperation with the pc user in
>> a simple but realiable way. Scanners are not magical, and they shouldn't try
>> to give that impression, as most (all I have seen) do today.
>
> Well, they have a wide range of customers with a wide range of
> expectations, and every one of them is going to complain if the program
> does not behave as they expect or want. Most don't know enough to
> criticize intelligently, or use more versatile tools.
>
> Your name does not stand out in my memory. If you are new, you might go
> back through the old posts and see how many times people complain about
> "friends" shutting down fire walls or anti virus programs in order to
> view or run something the safety program does not like, and the computer
> gets some sort of malware.
>
> At the other end, you have people like Art, David, and several others
> (some not currently posting) who only need anti malware programs in case
> some new approach slips something in on them. They don't really need
> "consumer quality" safety programs.
>
> In the middle, there's a wide variety of people who want to control
> their computers but don't know enough to be as safe as Art, David, etc.
> And that sounds like where you are, right now.
>
> Study more, gripe less.

U sound like some kind of pro status quo fighter.

Isn't that way too defensive when it comes to a global growing problem for
the masses!?


Morgan O.

Posted by Offbreed on December 28, 2005, 9:28 am
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Morgan Ohlson wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:37:27 -0800, Offbreed wrote:

>> Study more, gripe less.
>
> U sound like some kind of pro status quo fighter.

I'm a "don't bitch about what you can do yourself" type. Don't know
about "fighter" part.

> Isn't that way too defensive when it comes to a global growing problem for
> the masses!?

Nope. Knowledge is power. Learn, or be enslaved to those who know more.

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