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Norton Internet Security 2006 Vedran Bogdanic 01-31-2006
Posted by Noel Paton on February 1, 2006, 4:07 pm
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> Noel Paton wrote:
>>> I have a problem.When i turn off outgoing e-mail scanning norton
>>> tells me it reduces protection of my PC.I can choose for how long do
>>> I want to turn it off.Whatever I choose(15min,...,permanently) it
>>> doesn't take effect.I click on OK but when I open options again
>>> outgoing e-mail scanning isn't turned off.I want to make it
>>> permanently because scanning of an e-mail takes more than 15 minutes.
>>> Who can help me?
>>
>> How can turning off OUTgoing email scanning reduce the protection of
>> YOUR PC??
>> Symantec just like to ensure that they have free advertising in your
>> emails!
>
> Noel...how does this work. I have sent myself testing e-mails just
> recently (and many times in the past) and I have never seen any
> advertising in the e-mail I receive. I am using NAV 2004. I guess I
> should shut if off anyway, along with the incoming like you say, although
> I always thought it was a little extra safe to check the incoming (even
> though autoprotect will pick anything up like you said)...Pete



WRT incoming mail - this can lead to a false sense of security, as the email
is scanned on delivery - and if the user turns off updating on the AV, then
if the file was not recognised on download, then it ain't never gonna get
recognised the AV hasn't been updated to include the defs for the particular
malware the email contained ("I scanned it on download, and it was OK - why
did my machine wipe all my files?")! (remember that NAV is installed in
time-limited form to what amounts to the majority of new PC's!!)

NAV may not be one of the companies that use the opportunity of scanning
outgoing mail to advertise (probably on the basis that they think they have
a total grip on the market - which hopefully will change!) - but any
outgoing email from a PC can be (and in some AV's is) automatically 'signed'
as clean before it leaves the sender's machine.
There are a number of problems with this approach
1) some vendors (including Grisoft) attach the 'this email is virus free'
data in such a way that the form of the email is significantly change - so
If I was to send you a plain-text email, it would in fact arrive as an HTML
email!
2) the assurance of being 'virus free' is worth exactly the paper it is
written on - Nothing! - since there can be any number of steps between
emission of the email from the sender's PC, and receipt at the target PC.
3) receivers of emails 'signed' by AV companies tend to take less
precautions with the received email than they would do with the same email
received from a known source, but an unknown attachment - and the
'signature' itself could potentially be part of a virus!

I could go on - but I hope that you get the gist of my argument?

ANY virus scan of anything is dependent on two things - the cleverness of
the scanner, and the time at which it's scanned.
The best time to scan ANYTHING is the second before you use it - with
definitions generated and downloaded immediately prior (leaving aside the
'efficiency' of the scanner itself!)

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's



Posted by Pete on February 1, 2006, 4:46 pm
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Noel Paton wrote:
>> Noel Paton wrote:
>>>> I have a problem.When i turn off outgoing e-mail scanning norton
>>>> tells me it reduces protection of my PC.I can choose for how long
>>>> do I want to turn it off.Whatever I choose(15min,...,permanently)
>>>> it doesn't take effect.I click on OK but when I open options again
>>>> outgoing e-mail scanning isn't turned off.I want to make it
>>>> permanently because scanning of an e-mail takes more than 15
>>>> minutes. Who can help me?
>>>
>>> How can turning off OUTgoing email scanning reduce the protection of
>>> YOUR PC??
>>> Symantec just like to ensure that they have free advertising in your
>>> emails!
>>
>> Noel...how does this work. I have sent myself testing e-mails just
>> recently (and many times in the past) and I have never seen any
>> advertising in the e-mail I receive. I am using NAV 2004. I guess
>> I should shut if off anyway, along with the incoming like you say,
>> although I always thought it was a little extra safe to check the
>> incoming (even though autoprotect will pick anything up like you
>> said)...Pete
>
>
>
> WRT incoming mail - this can lead to a false sense of security, as
> the email is scanned on delivery - and if the user turns off
> updating on the AV, then if the file was not recognised on download,
> then it ain't never gonna get recognised the AV hasn't been updated
> to include the defs for the particular malware the email contained
> ("I scanned it on download, and it was OK - why did my machine wipe
> all my files?")! (remember that NAV is installed in time-limited form
> to what amounts to the majority of new PC's!!)
> NAV may not be one of the companies that use the opportunity of
> scanning outgoing mail to advertise (probably on the basis that they
> think they have a total grip on the market - which hopefully will
> change!) - but any outgoing email from a PC can be (and in some AV's
> is) automatically 'signed' as clean before it leaves the sender's
> machine. There are a number of problems with this approach
> 1) some vendors (including Grisoft) attach the 'this email is virus
> free' data in such a way that the form of the email is significantly
> change - so If I was to send you a plain-text email, it would in fact
> arrive as an HTML email!
> 2) the assurance of being 'virus free' is worth exactly the paper it
> is written on - Nothing! - since there can be any number of steps
> between emission of the email from the sender's PC, and receipt at
> the target PC. 3) receivers of emails 'signed' by AV companies tend
> to take less precautions with the received email than they would do
> with the same email received from a known source, but an unknown
> attachment - and the 'signature' itself could potentially be part of
> a virus!
> I could go on - but I hope that you get the gist of my argument?
>
> ANY virus scan of anything is dependent on two things - the
> cleverness of the scanner, and the time at which it's scanned.
> The best time to scan ANYTHING is the second before you use it - with
> definitions generated and downloaded immediately prior (leaving aside
> the 'efficiency' of the scanner itself!)

Thanks Noel...acknowledged...Pete



Posted by Noel Paton on February 1, 2006, 5:21 pm
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> Noel Paton wrote:
>>> Noel Paton wrote:
>>>>> I have a problem.When i turn off outgoing e-mail scanning norton
>>>>> tells me it reduces protection of my PC.I can choose for how long
>>>>> do I want to turn it off.Whatever I choose(15min,...,permanently)
>>>>> it doesn't take effect.I click on OK but when I open options again
>>>>> outgoing e-mail scanning isn't turned off.I want to make it
>>>>> permanently because scanning of an e-mail takes more than 15
>>>>> minutes. Who can help me?
>>>>
>>>> How can turning off OUTgoing email scanning reduce the protection of
>>>> YOUR PC??
>>>> Symantec just like to ensure that they have free advertising in your
>>>> emails!
>>>
>>> Noel...how does this work. I have sent myself testing e-mails just
>>> recently (and many times in the past) and I have never seen any
>>> advertising in the e-mail I receive. I am using NAV 2004. I guess
>>> I should shut if off anyway, along with the incoming like you say,
>>> although I always thought it was a little extra safe to check the
>>> incoming (even though autoprotect will pick anything up like you
>>> said)...Pete
>>
>>
>>
>> WRT incoming mail - this can lead to a false sense of security, as
>> the email is scanned on delivery - and if the user turns off
>> updating on the AV, then if the file was not recognised on download,
>> then it ain't never gonna get recognised the AV hasn't been updated
>> to include the defs for the particular malware the email contained
>> ("I scanned it on download, and it was OK - why did my machine wipe
>> all my files?")! (remember that NAV is installed in time-limited form
>> to what amounts to the majority of new PC's!!)
>> NAV may not be one of the companies that use the opportunity of
>> scanning outgoing mail to advertise (probably on the basis that they
>> think they have a total grip on the market - which hopefully will
>> change!) - but any outgoing email from a PC can be (and in some AV's
>> is) automatically 'signed' as clean before it leaves the sender's
>> machine. There are a number of problems with this approach
>> 1) some vendors (including Grisoft) attach the 'this email is virus
>> free' data in such a way that the form of the email is significantly
>> change - so If I was to send you a plain-text email, it would in fact
>> arrive as an HTML email!
>> 2) the assurance of being 'virus free' is worth exactly the paper it
>> is written on - Nothing! - since there can be any number of steps
>> between emission of the email from the sender's PC, and receipt at
>> the target PC. 3) receivers of emails 'signed' by AV companies tend
>> to take less precautions with the received email than they would do
>> with the same email received from a known source, but an unknown
>> attachment - and the 'signature' itself could potentially be part of
>> a virus!
>> I could go on - but I hope that you get the gist of my argument?
>>
>> ANY virus scan of anything is dependent on two things - the
>> cleverness of the scanner, and the time at which it's scanned.
>> The best time to scan ANYTHING is the second before you use it - with
>> definitions generated and downloaded immediately prior (leaving aside
>> the 'efficiency' of the scanner itself!)
>
> Thanks Noel...acknowledged...Pete

YW, Pete - I think I got this one right! :)

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's



Posted by Peter Seiler on February 2, 2006, 2:23 am
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Noel Paton - 01.02.2006 23:21 :

> YW, Pete - I think I got this one right! :)

Noel and Pete and in general: usually there is no need always
fullquoting all quoting lines again only to say a single answer line.
Please, think about right quoting behavior. THX in advance for your kind
understanding.

--
by(e) PS
spam will be killed




Posted by Pete on February 2, 2006, 2:21 pm
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Peter Seiler wrote:
> Noel Paton - 01.02.2006 23:21 :
>
>> YW, Pete - I think I got this one right! :)
>
> Noel and Pete and in general: usually there is no need always
> fullquoting all quoting lines again only to say a single answer line.
> Please, think about right quoting behavior. THX in advance for your
> kind understanding.

Sorry Peter...a carryover from the mozilla groups. They used to insist on
"no snipping and bottom posting" (basically for tracking purposes) in the
old group with the secure netscape server. Now on the new mozilla server,
they encourage snipping (where appropriate) but still insist on bottom
posting. When in Rome do as the Romans do :-) ...Pete



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