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Just 12 minutes Daave 02-03-2008
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Posted by Lord Turkey Cough on February 5, 2008, 10:42 pm
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>
>
> |
> | Do you really believe this? I think you are deluding yourself here.
> | I don't really see what protection your router is giving you.
> | Would you care to explain how it protects you?
> | Explaintions such as "Well I am using a NAT router" don't really qualify
> as
> | the arguement is kind of circular."
> |
>
> My IP address is in my reply.
> Prove otherwise.

Thats like saying your house is burgal proof and inviting me to burgal
it to prove you wrong.

My IP address has been in my reply for the last ten years, and I have
not suffered any infections really, one or two possible incidents but
these were no doubt caused by my careless use of the internet or were
merely over zealous antivirus software reports.
I am sure there are many people using NAT routers who had serious problems
with viruses. I certaintly have not and certaintly nothting that a NAT
router would have
prevented. I can guarantee you that.

But anyway you have avoided the question as to how you are
protected, asking me to prove you are not an adaquate answer, it
suggests you don't know.

All you router is doing is routing the traffic to your computer, it has no
more
idea whether that traffic is a 'virus' or not.

Anyway there are a lot of 12 minutes in the time I have been connected to
to the interenet, and I don't appear to have acquired my yearly alloction
of 43,000 viruses, in fact I should be up to the 1/2 million mark my now!!
Or maybe I have!! Maybe that is why my hard drive is nearly full :O)







>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
>
>



Posted by David H. Lipman on February 5, 2008, 10:54 pm
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>> My IP address is in my reply.
>> Prove otherwise.
|
| Thats like saying your house is burgal proof and inviting me to burgal
| it to prove you wrong.
|
| My IP address has been in my reply for the last ten years, and I have
| not suffered any infections really, one or two possible incidents but
| these were no doubt caused by my careless use of the internet or were
| merely over zealous antivirus software reports.
| I am sure there are many people using NAT routers who had serious problems
| with viruses. I certaintly have not and certaintly nothting that a NAT
| router would have
| prevented. I can guarantee you that.
|
| But anyway you have avoided the question as to how you are
| protected, asking me to prove you are not an adaquate answer, it
| suggests you don't know.
|
| All you router is doing is routing the traffic to your computer, it has no
| more
| idea whether that traffic is a 'virus' or not.
|
| Anyway there are a lot of 12 minutes in the time I have been connected to
| to the interenet, and I don't appear to have acquired my yearly alloction
| of 43,000 viruses, in fact I should be up to the 1/2 million mark my now!!
| Or maybe I have!! Maybe that is why my hard drive is nearly full :O)
|

I have posted numerous times about the use of FireWall appliance and NAT
Routers. Find and
read them.

If you probe my IP you won't find out anything.
Why ?
Because the Router has ports specifically blocked and only on invites from the
LAN side will
WAN access get through the WAN/LAN barrier. The Routers enforcement through
simplistic
FireWall constructs and Network Address Translation is far superior then
attempting to close
ports on nodes on the LAN side.

I look forward to seeing activity from NTL Internet Ltd. :-)

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



Posted by Lord Turkey Cough on February 5, 2008, 11:22 pm
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>
>
>>> My IP address is in my reply.
>>> Prove otherwise.
> |
> | Thats like saying your house is burgal proof and inviting me to burgal
> | it to prove you wrong.
> |
> | My IP address has been in my reply for the last ten years, and I have
> | not suffered any infections really, one or two possible incidents but
> | these were no doubt caused by my careless use of the internet or were
> | merely over zealous antivirus software reports.
> | I am sure there are many people using NAT routers who had serious
> problems
> | with viruses. I certaintly have not and certaintly nothting that a NAT
> | router would have
> | prevented. I can guarantee you that.
> |
> | But anyway you have avoided the question as to how you are
> | protected, asking me to prove you are not an adaquate answer, it
> | suggests you don't know.
> |
> | All you router is doing is routing the traffic to your computer, it has
> no
> | more
> | idea whether that traffic is a 'virus' or not.
> |
> | Anyway there are a lot of 12 minutes in the time I have been connected
> to
> | to the interenet, and I don't appear to have acquired my yearly
> alloction
> | of 43,000 viruses, in fact I should be up to the 1/2 million mark my
> now!!
> | Or maybe I have!! Maybe that is why my hard drive is nearly full :O)
> |
>
> I have posted numerous times about the use of FireWall appliance and NAT
> Routers. Find and
> read them.
>
> If you probe my IP you won't find out anything.
> Why ?

Computer off line due to a virus infection?

> Because the Router has ports specifically blocked

However without some open ports you cannot use the internet.


> and only on invites from the LAN side will
> WAN access get through the WAN/LAN barrier. The Routers enforcement
> through simplistic
> FireWall constructs and Network Address Translation is far superior then
> attempting to close
> ports on nodes on the LAN side.

No it is effecively the same thing.

>
> I look forward to seeing activity from NTL Internet Ltd. :-)

Either that or an annomouuus proxy anyway.

Anyway I am not a hacker so it is pointless asking me to hack you,
so if you want to be tested you better ask more widely, prehaps in a
'hackers'
group and see how you get on.

Or you could go to one of many sites which will test you open ports.
I have just had all my 'ports tested' and I passed with flying colours.
Perhaps you would like to give it a try too???

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

So..... what extra is a router going to offer me? (Apart from extra cost).

Of course you need to test you router is secure too ;O)

Some what more difficult me thinks :O|


>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
>
>



Posted by David W. Hodgins on February 5, 2008, 11:36 pm
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wrote:

> However without some open ports you cannot use the internet.

This is not correct. Open ports are used by servers, to allow clients
to establish a connection. If you are not running any servers, that
you want to have accessible, from the internet, then you do not need
any open incoming ports. Incoming traffic will still be allowed, but
only when it is in response to outgoing traffic. For most home computers,
the only case where an open incoming port is usually needed, is for p2p
software.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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Posted by Lord Turkey Cough on February 6, 2008, 1:04 am
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> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:22:11 -0500, Lord Turkey Cough
>
>> However without some open ports you cannot use the internet.
>
> This is not correct.

Yes it is unless you just want to send data, which is rather pointless
inmost instances.

> Open ports are used by servers, to allow clients
> to establish a connection.

And by other programs to communicate.

>If you are not running any servers, that
> you want to have accessible, from the internet, then you do not need
> any open incoming ports.

Except for programs which need to accept data.

>Incoming traffic will still be allowed, but
> only when it is in response to outgoing traffic.

Yes.....you're getting there....

>For most home computers,
> the only case where an open incoming port is usually needed, is for p2p
> software.

Exactly. Any your firewall will take care of that.

Unless it is a hardware router with an exploit in in which cannot be fixed
by an uupdate, such as NAT router


>
> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>
> --
> Change nomail.afraid.org to ody.ca to reply by email.
> (nomail.afraid.org has been set up specifically for
> use in usenet. Feel free to use it yourself.)

Doesn't yur NAT router take care of that :O)




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