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Posted by on August 12, 2005, 4:10 am
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>
> wannabe"pastor"dave is a troll or a liar-either one-makes
> no difference.He says "I've been a tech for twenty years"
> but seems to have no knowledge about malware and the
> various methods/tools to get rid of and/or prevent them. I
> have him in my killfile and would not have noticed but for
> your quote. As several of the regulars tried to help him
> the other day, he was full of himself(seems to be his style
> of interaction with others) and was added to their
> killfiles also. -max
>
Your (plural) patience was admirable, indeed. ;)
[ quot bts ]Sounds like a plan. :-) [ /quot]
J
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Posted by Pastor Dave on August 12, 2005, 5:40 am
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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:10:36 GMT, me@tadyatam.invalid
spake thusly:
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>>
>> wannabe"pastor"dave is a troll or a liar-either one-makes
>> no difference.He says "I've been a tech for twenty years"
>> but seems to have no knowledge about malware and the
>> various methods/tools to get rid of and/or prevent them. I
>> have him in my killfile and would not have noticed but for
>> your quote. As several of the regulars tried to help him
>> the other day, he was full of himself(seems to be his style
>> of interaction with others) and was added to their
>> killfiles also. -max
>>
>
>Your (plural) patience was admirable, indeed. ;)
>[ quot bts ]Sounds like a plan. :-) [ /quot]
Yes, I was a real evil person for saying that I don't
believe that someone who has been on PC's for 20 years
has never been infected by a virus, when they have
never run real time protection. Right. I'm sure all
of these companies sell AV software, based on one big
hoax, just designed to fool us. <chuckle>
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Pastor Dave
"If you believe what you like in the Gospel,
and reject what you like - it is not the Gospel
you believe, but yourselves." - St. Augustine
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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Posted by Roger Wilco on August 12, 2005, 12:02 pm
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> Yes, I was a real evil person for saying that I don't
> believe that someone who has been on PC's for 20 years
> has never been infected by a virus, when they have
> never run real time protection. Right. I'm sure all
> of these companies sell AV software, based on one big
> hoax, just designed to fool us. <chuckle>
Yes, the belief that real time protection is a must is wrong thinking.
It might be a must if you have no control over what users are allowed to
do with the system, but if you do have complete control (configuration
and policies) then real time (along with many other so called "must
have" features) AV is not needed. Most AV vendors now compete over how
well they implement these non-essential features, and users complain
about RAM footprints and CPU cycles which are inconsequential when a
good on-demand regimen is inplemented instead. It takes more effort on
the part of the user, but it isn't really all that difficult.
You wouldn't expect the vendors to tell you this would you - considering
they are in 'business' to sell software?
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Posted by Pastor Dave on August 12, 2005, 5:10 pm
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>
>> Yes, I was a real evil person for saying that I don't
>> believe that someone who has been on PC's for 20 years
>> has never been infected by a virus, when they have
>> never run real time protection. Right. I'm sure all
>> of these companies sell AV software, based on one big
>> hoax, just designed to fool us. <chuckle>
>
>Yes, the belief that real time protection is a must is wrong thinking.
>It might be a must if you have no control over what users are allowed to
>do with the system,
I went one time some years ago and bought a mouse.
I put the floppy in, to copy the driver over to the
hard drive and Norton came up and alerted me to
a virus, as the file was being copied. I called the
company to let them know about it. They told me
that they did have a run of floppies that were
infected. Others had reported it and they tested
them. But hey, why run real time protection?
I mean after all, as long as you have control
over what you're putting on there, right? Nothing
like that could ever contain a virus, right? Or
should we avoid putting anything other than
Windows on our systems and never get on the Net
either, so that we won't be infected?
--
Pastor Dave
"If you believe what you like in the Gospel,
and reject what you like - it is not the Gospel
you believe, but yourselves." - St. Augustine
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
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Posted by Roger Wilco on August 12, 2005, 4:47 pm
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> I went one time some years ago and bought a mouse.
> I put the floppy in, to copy the driver over to the
> hard drive and Norton came up and alerted me to
> a virus, as the file was being copied. I called the
> company to let them know about it. They told me
> that they did have a run of floppies that were
> infected. Others had reported it and they tested
> them. But hey, why run real time protection?
Exactly - you had intended to execute that code, and should have scanned
it prior to use. Scanning it on the floppy, or copying the driver to the
harddrive and scanning it then would have done the trick (no 'real time'
scanning necessary).
> I mean after all, as long as you have control
> over what you're putting on there, right?
Right!
> Nothing like that could ever contain a virus, right?
Wrong! It is a program, therefore it "could" contain a virus. Why would
you assume that it didn't - safe practice is to scan "all" incoming
programs (best after a cooling off period) before executing them.
> Or
> should we avoid putting anything other than
> Windows on our systems and never get on the Net
> either, so that we won't be infected?
Funny, with the present malware preference for Windows' environments -
it would be Windows to "avoid" putting on. :)
Seriously though, I am not suggesting abstinence, only that 'real time'
AV isn't the most effective way. Most effective is AV as a part of safe
practices - not "instead of" safe practices (which 'real time' scanning
enables users to do). So when someone doesn't use real time AV, it
doesn't follow that he can't have kept his machine clean - it 'could' be
that he knows what he is doing.
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